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Re: Quakers in Selby Camm and Proctor
« Reply #621 on: Sunday 21 January 24 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Interested to read about Proctor and Camm in Selby. I live in the house owned by the Proctors on Gowthorpe. I think it was Thomas (1724-1798) who lived here and with his daughter Margaret who married Herbert Camm. On 28th Sept 1798 the house was sold to Margaret's niece Elizabeth Proctor for £350. On 24th October 1853, Elizabeth died and the house was inherited by Elizabeth's nephew Jonathan Hutchinson. When he died his brother Charles who was excutor of his will sold the house to John James York.
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Hello Hilary

You might be interested in the Left page of the 1839 Rate Book, especially the top one attached as an image at Reply # 72 in another related thread. The page opening images I have, show the amounts columns on the right page ...

Showing Wm Procter as an Owner of a House and Tannery, Occupied by George Hood (my ancestor) and also Elizabeth Procter as Owner and Occupier, at Gowthorpe, Selby.

Link to Reply # 72 of the other thread ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6125594#msg6125594

My ancestor in 1830 (Reg'd 1831) acquired 4/5ths of a house in Gowthorpe Selby, Yorkshire, of the late John Clark Linen Draper, from Hannah Woodcock of York Widow (nee Hannah Clark); William Field of Charlotte Street, Portland Place, Middlesex Taylor and Sarah his wife the only surviving child and heiress of William Mitchinson late of Selby Joiner & Ann his wife (nee Ann Clark); Maria Anne Mason and Martha Mason Spinsters both of Thorp Arch daughters and coheiresses of Christopher Mason of Thorp Arch & Mary his wife (nee Mary Clark) and John Dickinson of Selby Plumber & Glazier only Son of William Dickinson, Tailor and Martha his Wife (nee Martha Clark).

The Memorial Deed copy, does not describe neighbouring owners.

The other 1/5th was purchased and registered later.

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Hello MollyC,

Old records for Selby are with quite a few Archives in Yorkshire, Leeds, Borthwick (at York) and elsewhere, including North, East and West Riding Archives of Yorkshire.

Mark

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #622 on: Saturday 20 July 24 21:13 BST (UK) »
Have you done any research on Martha Kirlew age 78 (born 1793) on 1871 c visitor with Sarah Hood nee Richardson both ladies widows

Martha's got a year or two of history on her by 1871

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZL5-C5N

This could be Martha's marriage in Hemingborough 11th October 1820 after Banns

John KIRLEW a brick maker and widower married Martha BLENKHORN

Both signed ( she as Blenkin)
Witnesses: John Blenkhorn, William Blenkhoun and Mary Pacey.

Dave, I can now answer this, looking at Claire's reply.

Blenkhorn crops up in my Richardson family from Bubwith, Yorkshire.


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #623 on: Saturday 20 July 24 22:02 BST (UK) »
Yes I realise records can turn up in various places. That is the nature of archive collections.
However I get concerned by the loss of identity of the former counties, especially Ancestry's inability to distinguish between the West Riding and West Yorkshire.  It misleads younger people and researchers from distant places.

I actually worked for the West Riding County Council for a little while before it was carved into 13 pieces!  Until then it extended from Nottinghamshire to Westmorland, via Selby.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #624 on: Sunday 21 July 24 07:54 BST (UK) »
Oh MollyC

Local Authority changes add to the further spread of records.

Part of North Yorks was in that County called Cleveland.

We've got a location bordering 3 counties and nobody wanted to take reponsibility of the repairs of the road junction there some years ago.

But when a border cuts a living room of a house in two, that caused real problems!


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #625 on: Sunday 21 July 24 08:10 BST (UK) »
My interest is in the Hood connection.

Children so far all Tynemouth, of the Elizabeth Hood = William Cook Marriage 24 Jan 1804 Tynemouth by Banns [Im 456, spinster not stated] :-

Burial 1804 (Birth/Bapt not listed Tynemouth)
Mary Cook of No Shields, Dau'r of Wm Cook, Trade Mar'r, Died Oct'r 21, Buried Oct 23, Age 2 W's. [Im 471]

Birth/Baptisms
1805 Eleanor Cook, 4 Sep / 25 Dec, 2 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar'r. N.[Native] of Suffolk by his W. Eliz'th Hood, N. Allsts P.[Parish] [Im 488]

1807 Rosamond Cook, 3 May / 27 May, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mar'r, N. of Lowstoff [sic] by his Wife Eliz.th Hood N. of Gateshead P. Allsaints. [Im 554]

1809/1810 Wm Cook, 18 Dec'r 1809 / 10 Jan, 1 Son of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mariner, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz'th Hood Nat. of Allsaints P. [Im 665]

1811 Eliz'th Cook, 14 Nov:r / 11 Dec, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar.r, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz:th Hood N. of Allsaints P. [Im 714]

Carrying on from Bushinn1746 post,

Elizabeth Cook, wife of William Cook buried Christ Church, Tynemouth 9 Jul 1814 ages 33 years
Abode: North Shields.

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So If Elizabeth Cook [Hood] died when the children were aged roughly 3-9, and William was a mariner, then who raised them?   

The 1814 marriage William Cook to Eliza Dodds at Tynemouth 1814 states him to be a bachelor (p95), so we can probably rule that one out.   The marriage at All Saints 15 Nov 1815 to Mary Singlewood doesn't say either way (p56) but oddly there is a baptism 10 Jun 1833 of  James Cook s/o William Cook & Mary Underwood.  From the Familysearch Catalog Number it seems to be at the Catholic Church of St Andrew, Newcastle.

There might even be another William Cook!

Because when William Cook married Pleasance Stone 3rd Feb 1818 at Lowestoft, the Register says he was a BACHELOR, so was this Wm Cook really a Widower of a first marriage to Elizabeth Hood in 1804 at Tynemouth?

William Cook of Lowestoft, Suffolk, Wills:-

1855 Cook William the Elder, Fisherman 542, (Widow Sarah [nee Butcher] etc.), Testator died 16th February 1831, Proved 1855
 Purchased some of his properties from Benjamin Butcher late of Lowestoft.
... my son Samuel Butcher Cook ...
... my Wife Sarah ...
... use of my Nephews Joseph Cook and Benjamin Butcher both of Lowestoft aforesaid Fisherman ...
... my said children ... [not named]
... I appoint the said Sarah my Wife and my Sons William Cook, John Cook and Benjamin Cook Executrix and Executors ... [Will] made 1st April 1825.
Proved at Lowestoft 29th June 1855 before ... Principal of the Episcopal Consistorial Court of Norwich ... granted to William Cook and Benjamin Cook the surviving Executors ...

1856 Wills start at F. S. film strip image number 259 of Film #004389347

1856 Cook William, Mariner, Code 112 (Widow Pleasance. Wm Cook, Bachelor, married Pleasance Stone, Spinster in 1818 at Lowestoft, Suffolk)
[F. S. Film strip image number 371]
Written 1st November 1855, Testator died 3rd November 1855, Proved at Norwich 23rd Feb 1856
... I appoint William Vince Barnard of Lowestoft aforesaid Gentleman and my Son John Samuel Cook Executors ...
... my dear Wife Pleasance Cook ...
... my Dwelling House now in my occupation situate in Nelson Street Lowestoft ... Cottage situate on the beach in the occupation of the Widow of my late Son William Cook ...
... my Shed and Fish Office on the Beach ...
... the children of my said late Son William Cook, namely William Cook, Joseph and Matthew Colman Cook ...

Looks like there is a possible Colman surname for me to look at.

1857 Cook William, Gentleman 616 (Will written 1849, one of his Will Codicils says now of Harleston).
[F. S. Film strip image number 1572 onward]
I appoint my friend William Vince Barnard of Lowestoft and John Button of Wissett both in the County of Suffolk Gentleman ...
... Family Vault at Syleham ...
... my Daughter Mary Caroline Mann ...
... William Peete Mann ...
... Grandaughters Caroline Wicks, Mary, Anna ...
... Harriet Cook the Widow of my late Son John Cook ...
Will dated 29th March 1849
Witnesed by Thos B. Bird ; Samuel Cook
Codicils
... now of Harleston, Gentleman ...
... Grandson George Cook ...
... Grandson George Smith Mann, Charles Wicks ...
... my Grandaughter Emily Vandeput Mann described as my "Niece Emily Mann"
... Mary Hunt Wife of Henry Hunt Gardinier Broom [?]
... Testator died 21st March 1857.

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1811, 7th September, Norwich (Not seen)
William Peete Mann 21,
Married
Mary Caroline Cook 21.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #626 on: Sunday 21 July 24 16:28 BST (UK) »
In view of the first two Wills (previous post, summaries added) and the 1851 Census ...

1851 Kirkley, Suffolk, England
William Cook, Head, Mar, 54, Fisherman, Lowestoft, Suffolk.
Plesence Cook, Wife, Mar, 53, Orford, Suffolk.
John Samuel Cook, Son, 13, born Lowestoft, Suffolk.
John Stone, Lodger, Wid'r, 50, Labourer, born Orford, Suffolk.
Alfred Parkenton, Lodger, Mar, 27, born Bury St Edmunds.
Sarah Parkenton, Lodger, Mar, 24, Stow Bedon, Suffolk.

I don't think either of those first two William Cook of Lowestoft, Suffolk, were the William Cook Native of Suffolk and "Lowstoff" (details in child baptisms) who married Elizabeth Hood 24th January 1804 at Tynemouth by Banns.

Because
1. Sarah Cook (nee Butcher) the Wife of the Wm Cook who married William Cook in 1793 at Lowestoft, she may be the Sarah my wife, still alive in 1825 when the Will was written?

2. The William Cook of Lowestoft who married Pleasance Stone and declared as a Bachelor, was also not old enough in 1804 to have married Elizabeth Hood first?

Only have 1804 BT of the William Cook & Elizabeth Hood, marriage by banns at Tynemouth, so no Witness signatures or ages.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #627 on: Friday 16 August 24 09:00 BST (UK) »
Two points

George Hood of Morpeth, Innkeeper, who died before the 1851 Census, also looks to be a contender with a link to the Gibson surname?

Added some general information about: George Hood of Morpeth, died 8th April 1848, aged 68.

Newcastle Courant, 21st April 1848, 22nd April.
... Mr James Hood, Chemist, Morpeth, was elected a Town Councillor in the room of his late father, Mr G. Hood.

George Hood's Public House was apparently called The Lord Hood, at Morpeth and one of his properties was Percy Court.

Morpeth Herald, 2nd May 1857
24th ult. aged 72, Jane, relict of the late Mr George Hood, deeply lamented by a large circle of friends.

Newcastle Journal, 30 Sept 1863
At St George's Presbyterian Church, Morpeth, on the 29th inst., by ... the rev Thos. Robinson, of Risley, Lancashire, to Eleanor, eldest daughter of the late George Hood, Esq., of Morpeth.

1822 Forster Nicholson & Mary Morrison, Widow, of Lesbury
DDR/EJ/MLA/1/1822/71   28 March 1822
Allegation, with bond, by Forster Nicholson, of Hebburn (Northumberland), Northumberland, farmer, bachelor for marriage to Mary Morrison, of Lesbury, Northumberland, widow at Lesbury, Northumberland sworn before Thomas Shute (surrogate). Surety in bond: George Hood, of Morpeth, Northumberland, innkeeper.
 
https://iiif.durham.ac.uk/index.html?manifest=t2mjw827c123&canvas=t2ts1784x58d

Mary Morrison was a Widow, age 21 and upwards. This "upwards" is not helpful!

But was this the first Marriage of Mary Morrison? ...
1808 16th June, by Licence
Richard Morrison married Mary Gibson
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1814 George Hood at a Gibson Marriage at Morpeth
1814, 10th May, by Banns
John Charlton, Bachelor
Ann Gibson, Spinster
Present (wit's) Elizabeth Shotton ; George Hood
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Second Point

1787 Whitehead's Newcastle Directory, under Gateshead
Hood John, publican, Ship, South Shore.

1789 and 1811 Gateshead Land Tax

We copied and pasted parts of the Gateshead Land Tax, online listings of 1789 and 1811 into a Word document side by side (attached, slide over to see 1811).

1789 Occupied by, John (Mr.) Hood. 
1811 Occupied by, A. (Esq.) Hood, South Shore. 
[A. Hood, Esq.]

Looks like William Hawks had died by 1811, but premises occupied by Hawks is still clearly marked in 1811.
1811 Occupied by W. (Esq.) (reps. of) Hawks, South Shore.

So John Hood, publican, of The Ship, South Shore, Gateshead, looks to be linked to A. Hood, Esq., by 1811.

Location of the Ship Inn, South Shore, Gateshead, described 1857

1857 Newcastle Courant, 10th April
TO BE SOLD BY PRIVATE CONTRACT
The SHIP INN and TENEMENT HOUSES,  adjoining Messrs Hawks, Crawshay, and Co's Factory, South Shore, Gateshead.
Apply to Roger Middleton, on the premises.


The Ship Inn, adjoined the Factory of Hawks, Crawshay and Co., South Shore, Gateshead, 1857.

1903 Newcastle Daily Chronicle, 22 December 1903
Building Contractors desirous of Tendering for the whole of the works required in the errection and completion of the "Ship" Hotel, South Shore, Gateshead, for George Bell, Esq., are invited.
Messrs J. Oswald and Son, 33 Mosley Street, Newcastle upon Tyne.


Added: just looked again at the 1903 advert and the word "Ship" is definitely in commas, so the pub was known as the "Ship".

Looks like a new "Ship" South Shore, Gateshead, was built.
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Added: George Hood, Son of John Hood, baptised Gateshead 1st October 1786, is likely the Son of the Publican, John Hood of the Ship, South Shore, Gateshead.
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Added: just to keep me on my toes, in the newspapers 92 years later ...
By 1878 there was also a:-
Ship Inn, High Street, Gateshead.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #628 on: Friday 16 August 24 12:51 BST (UK) »
Good Afternoon

In a prior post a question - who looked after the children of Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson when she passed. What if the family who disappeared from Selby records circa the same time - Richard, Eleanor and their daughter Elizabeth Gibson, they could have moved back up there. They're likely family and seems plausible.

Which leads me back to the surname Gibson, I've been looking for marriages for Richard and Eleanor's daughter presuming she survived into adulthood- the surname is prolific in these parts.

You have to think too , your George Hood named two of his children possibly after the Gibsons, so they meant something to him. I think finding what happened to them, and looking into the Gibsons up north is an idea.

And whatever happened to William Cook is another

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« Reply #629 on: Friday 16 August 24 17:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks Claire

I'm wondering if these Brown characters link to the Brown in Richard Gibson of Selby descent, or a coincidence?

The Wife of Roger Middleton of the Ship Pub., at South Shore, Gateshead (where John Hood occupied previously), was Ann Brown.

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1841 Gateshead, Durham, Census. 
So. Shore.
Roger Middleton, 38, Publican, Y.
Ann Middleton, 39, N.
Margaret Middleton, 8, N.
Elizabeth Middleton, 5, N.
Mary Middleton, 1& 1/2, N.
Roger Middleton, 1& 1/2, N.
Jane Young, 21, F. S., Y.

1843 Newcastle Courant, 24th November
At the South Shore, on the 17th inst., aged 4 years, Roger, twin son of Mr Roger Middleton, Innkeeper.

1851 Newcastle Guardian & Tyne Mercury, 1st November
At South Shore, on the 26th ult. aged 42, deeply lamented, Ann, wife of Mr Roger Middleton.

ADDED GRO Index 1851 Dec Quarter, 49 years, Gateshead, Reg'n District.

1839 GRO Index
Rodger Middleton born Newcastle upon Tyne District
(Tyne spelt Hyne **missprint**)

Mother Maiden Surname: BROWN

1832 Marriage, 11th June
St John's in the Town & the County of Newcastle upon Tyne.
Roger Middleton, Bachelor & Ann Brown, Spinster.
Present (wit's) John Thompson ; Henry Cockburn, sign a lot in the Register opening.

Jonathan Brown, Ship Builder of South Shore.

1822
To Let Public House, on the South Shore, Gateshead, in the present Occupation of Mr Jonathan Brown ... between Harle's Ropery and the Manufactory of Messrs Hawks and Co.

1821 Tyne Mercury, 24th April
Creditors of Mr JONATHAN BROWN, shipbuider, South Shore, are requested to send the particulars of their accounts, and the nature of their respective claims, to the office of A. Hood & Co. Broad Chare, without delay.

There are plenty of notices relating to Jonathan Brown of South Shore, informing readers to contact A. Hood & Co.

1837 Newcastle Courant 27th January
The 21st inst. at Gosforth Schools, aged 40, Jane, daughter of the late Mr Jonathan Brown, of the South Shore, ship builder.

Mark