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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #486 on: Sunday 02 April 17 17:36 BST (UK) »
Yes, he does seem to vanish. Pity those land Tax records don't show a street names and not just the sums of money assessed.

Just altered George Hoods entry in 1812 ~ transcribed as Wood by Anc* :-\
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #487 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 16:03 BST (UK) »
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Make what you will of this- only not many coppers around called Gibson in that time period 1800 to 1817 Southwark is also a place well known to Mark (late 18th century -John Hood & Ships)

 (Brother of Richard Gibson perhaps or a mentor of George Hood died 1845 Selby) ???)

The Examiner London 14th Dec 1817 at Old Bailey.

A - J Gibson, a Cooper abode Redcross Street London (Today called Redcross way off Union street south of River Thames over Southwark bridge and cross Park Street going Southwards turn left on to Union Street.)

J Gibson was a witness to a child snatching abduction case while he walked on Fleet street.

https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/43939-Red-Cross-Street-in-Southwark-cir-1837
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #488 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 09:44 BST (UK) »
Found by Claire

J Gibson cooper Southwark was James Gibson a cooper

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=181712030042
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #489 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 09:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the comments Edit: and the article.

Reasons for a non - Quaker burial:-

Deceased was:-

i) non - church [took that to mean not Parish C of E / Anglican, in other words of a dissenting faith]
ii) US Quakers buried a Presbyterian Minister
iii) distantly related to a Quaker [a Benjamin Hood (not dated) is noted amongst the Knaresborough Monthly Meeting Minute Book, Carlton Hill A1 1721 - 1753]

If you were born a Quaker and married in Church you could be disowned.

A Quaker bankrupt could be also disowned, Quakers certainly viewed the matter of bankruptcy very seriously.

Seems a Quaker burial entitlement by Quaker Birthright, could be lost.

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I suspect, George Hood might be a dissenter, hence no Yorkshire Parish baptism or Quaker birth found.

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I see a UK archive, historical reference to:-
i) an at fault bankrupt
ii) a not at fault bankrupt

Awaiting delivery:- two s/hand publications on Chancery Commissions (incl. bankruptcy), one is HMSO by our Public Record Office (1963) and the other, a 16 page article by Dr Shelia Marriner written in 1980.


Bankruptcy could have ranged from non-payment of Excise Duty, to non-payment of a family settlement.

Regards Mark


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #491 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 11:11 BST (UK) »
 1812 onwards Wren lane  business of G H Cooper business changed to Brewing at same address. Thus would there be records of the change of business to GH Brewer from Cooper.
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #492 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 11:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks

Seems only Stock Companies (TNA, BT 41). Tried ... Selby; Hood; Gowthorpe, Brewery; but nothing.

According to the baptisms, George Hood became a Brewer circa 1825.

Just under Richard Gibson in the "Docket Book 1806 To 1808" (TNA, B 4/28), it is interesting how the File for Wm Hogarth Gibson, Warehouseman of Saville Row (marked as preserved & on TNA catalogue), was the day before Richard Gibson's Commission.

Richard Gibson's Commission was the 30th May 1807 and John James, 11 Gray's Inn Place, Gray's Inn, London, was the 'Sol. or Agent'.

Very recent further research, suggests that because Richard Gibson's bankruptcy was by a Lord Chancellors Commission, the Commission itself should still be held, or in the Cases. Awaiting reference books and TNA enquiry.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #493 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 13:12 BST (UK) »
We can't escape the same names coming up over and over - seems the Lord Chancellor of 1807 was a John Scott bn Newcastle upon Tyne  :-\
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #494 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 18:02 BST (UK) »
We can't escape the same names coming up over and over - seems the Lord Chancellor of 1807 was a John Scott bn Newcastle upon Tyne  :-\

Thanks Claire, I never thought to check that one!

Well that is most interesting!

You will also find this interesting too 1794/1799 Articles, a Thomas Hood of Newcastle upon Tyne doing his Articles / Legal Training, under Benjamin Brookes / Dobson in the High Court of Chancery Westminster.

By 1799 Richard Dobson was late of Newcastle upon Tyne, Gentleman, deceased.

Elizabeth Dobson, Widow, was of Hipperholme, County of York.

Mother Mary Hood was a Widow of Brampton Cumberland (same place as the Rev Robert Hood D.D., a Dissenting Minister came from, to the Chapel at Newcastle).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.18

Quite sure, the George Hood mystery, will be broken eventually!

Regards Mark