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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #477 on: Saturday 01 April 17 23:26 BST (UK) »
Thomas Gibson X  Elizabeth Brown marriage 12 Sep 1756 Event Place St Andrew'S, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England

Richard Gibson born 1761 (cooper)

Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas


Richard Browne married Margaret Browne ? Belington 25th Feb 1719

Elizabeth Brown of Bedington parents and siblings

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abrown~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ABedlington~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1710-1740~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Arichard~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amargaret~
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #478 on: Saturday 01 April 17 23:30 BST (UK) »

I think we should work on trying to find out what happened to these Browns and for any siblings that Richard Gibson may have had, it may give us a lead  :)

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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #480 on: Sunday 02 April 17 01:25 BST (UK) »

Thomas Gibson and Elizabeth Brown:  ( married 1756) Their children

Elizabeth bpt.  5 August 1759:  likely wife of John HOOD and father of George H bn 1786 Gateshead

Richard  bpt. 6 June 1762  Cooper of Wren Lane Selby

Conflicting baptism dates of the children show there may be more than one Thomas Gibson baptising children in Newcastle 

Thomas bpt. 1 October 1769 and another 29 October 1769
Mary bpt. 27 August 1769
John bpt. 25 December 1765

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #481 on: Sunday 02 April 17 11:29 BST (UK) »
I think your right Claire that establishing who the Brown family were of Bedlington as status or class, then research middle names of Brown's

Though Brown is and was a very common surname
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #482 on: Sunday 02 April 17 12:00 BST (UK) »
Yes there were a few children I tried to research last night - such a common surname - I ended up thoroughly 'Browned' off !! :-\
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #483 on: Sunday 02 April 17 14:40 BST (UK) »
Mark

Your know Richard Gibson born circa 1761 a cooper by trade business, - you know his dad was Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate Newcastle/Tyne -you know-  Richard Gibson's mother was Elizabeth Brown

You know the Thomas Gibson X  Elizabeth Brown marriage 12 Sep 1756 Event Place St Andrew's, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England


Rather than traveling expense to archives you could try to your nearest LDS family history library

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=19517&query=%2Bplace%3A%22England%2C%20Northumberland%2C%20Newcastle-upon-Tyne%22%20%2Bavailability%3AOnline&subjectsOpen=389949-50,665036-50

in particular this film

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/427304?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Thanks dobfarm & Claire

Seems some Newcastle images are actually available online.

There were two or more Thomas Gibsons Newcastle area.

The Richard Gibson bankruptcy file was destroyed. However, it was by a Commission and in 1807 to 1810 under the Chancery.

A Business & Bankruptcy researcher (online), quoting from an HMSO, PRO Volume 1 Legal Records (1963) says that the actual Ld. Chancellors Bankruptcy Commission, the Order and other records still exist and also in PRO/TNA.

Looking at other TNA record Series.

Legal records are an uncharted area to me, so I'll ask them.

Regards Mark

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #484 on: Sunday 02 April 17 15:15 BST (UK) »
Given that there is some evidence to suggest Richard Gibson was in London c1812 ( is that correct? )

Wonder if he spent time in the debtor's prison, the pics below were taken from London's King's Bench and Fleet Prison Discharge Books and Prison Lists. There are three entries for a Richard Gibson, one dated 19 Mar 1804, another dated 22 Jul 1811 and lastly 'committed' 1 May 1812 discharged 10 Sep 1812.

I am aware there were a father and son, both by the same name in later registers and newspaper articles going bankrupt also at later dates

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #485 on: Sunday 02 April 17 17:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you

Richard Gibson had his 'Certificate of Conformity' issued in 1810. If I have understood the old process correctly, the Certificate means effectively that Gibson had complied and been discharged?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/bankrupts-insolvent-debtors/

The NA, Index recording the issue of the Certificate in 1810, said Gibson was at Little Britain, London.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6059164#msg6059164


In 1811 Richard Gibson appears in the Selby Land Tax.


Re Gibson 1812, I don't know?

Regards Mark