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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #450 on: Sunday 26 March 17 17:04 BST (UK) »
Quite a bit on this Philip Holmes chap

Found ...

1792 Fine  - Easter 32 Geo III
John Dixon, Plaintiff and Phillip and Sarah Holmes, Defendants.
Property and Pasture in Clarborough [near Retford, Notts].

Fine £100 Sterling.

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Seems Philip Holmes of Selby, has a large family.
https://archive.fo/TFIHe

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From the location found ...

COPY WILL 20th December 1795

WILL of MARY HOLMES of Moorgate, Clarbrough, Spinster - 1788, Codicils 1788 and 1789

Farm & lands in occ. Rich. Spittlehouse & ash holt in occ. M.H. in Clarbrough to Sarah wife of John Haigh of Doncaster Yorkshire, butcher, charged with payment of £200 to Thos. Holmes of Doncaster, innholder in trust for his children when 21.

All freehold & copyhold at Barnby upon Dunn Yorkshire to Thos. Holmes.

To Aunt Milcah Holmes, £5 p.a. for life; charged on 2 cottages in occ. John Dixon & Jas. Pettinger in Clarbrough left to her son Philip Holmes of Selby Yorks.

 ... etc., etc.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/00d6993a-7f2f-4c40-a625-261dcec40920

The Holmes family had links to various places, incl. Yorkshire.

Regards Mark

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #451 on: Sunday 26 March 17 17:51 BST (UK) »
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #452 on: Sunday 26 March 17 23:08 BST (UK) »

Dobfarm ~ is it just me or is that link not working ?

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Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #454 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:27 BST (UK) »

I'd forgotten about those posts ~ that's interesting reading dobfarm.

 Cockins, Pearsons ~ can this all be a coincidence ?
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #455 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:55 BST (UK) »

I'd forgotten about those posts ~ that's interesting reading dobfarm.

 Cockins, Pearsons ~ can this all be a coincidence ?


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758603.msg6155463#msg6155463

Just remembered -  Barnby-Upon-Don but can't remember the content much.


I'm wondering if these Holmes families were Quakers, as they seems to be spread about a bit around Doncaster which seems to be a pattern with Quakers in general (With distant abodes in England of couples in Quaker marriages and Wills) and the Casson Quakers ( Scarborough , Doncaster, Thorn, Selby and Derby areas)
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #456 on: Monday 27 March 17 19:57 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage by Licence in 1771 in Maltby (the only one showing on F M P )

Philip Holmes of Thorne and Sarah HEPWORTH 26 Feb. 1771

Both signed
Witnesses: William Wasteney and John Jeweson

EDIT: Two baptisms for a Phillip Holmes. First one in Huddersfield 1748 son of Isaac - can marry this guy off, baptisms of his children and have his burial.

The second guy - baptism in Wath upon Dearne 13 September 1768 aged 17 years (bn1751) ~ no parents listed.

Can find one possible baptism of a daughter Mary in THORNE 1772, father Philip a flax dresser. Then nothing in Yorkshire: possible baptism of daughter Elizabeth in Lincolnshire.


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And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.

William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON

He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.

I think it says John Hopworth or Hepworth

Hello All

Yes, John Hepworth, so Hepworth with possible links to William Cockin and/or Ann Robinson.

Internet search ... "Henry Mitton" Snaith Hepworth

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Henry+Mitton%22+Snaith+Hepworth&start=0

gives documents mentioning Hepworth, with Snaith and Henry Mitton.

Seems the book by Boaz is attempting to link a William Hepworth to Henry Mitton, Maltster, Gentleman of Snaith.

George Hood and Henry Mitton, Maltster of Snaith
One of the Wren Lane, Selby Deed Registrations of 1833 for a property of John Clarkson of Newport in the Parish of Eastrington to George Hood of Selby Brewer (neighbouring a property of the Hon. Edward Robert Petre already in George Hood's occupation), indicates John Clarkson George Hood and Henry Mitton of Snaith County of York have signed the Release, regarding the transfer to George Hood.

George Hood diversified into Brewing between 1824 & 1826 (per occupation in children's baptisms) and may have been in business with Henry Mitton, before he purchased John Clarkson's property, occupied by Henry Mitton's Malt-kiln in Wren Lane.


Whether Cockin - Hepworth - Mitton - Hood, are partly or wholly linked or related to each other, or partly business ties, remains to be discovered?

Regards Mark


EDIT
Forgot I had posted this for someone else ...

Leeds Intelligencer - 31st January 1803

"A few days ago died, aged 76, Mrs Hepworth, mother of Mr Cockin, dissenting minister, in Halifax."
14 Pages with Cockin refs here ...
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft#page/n1/mode/2up

Lane Independent Chapel, Holmfirth ... 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520384.36

Thanks for all the comments.


Telephoned re Philip Holmes Will and told I would have to email & wait for an estimate first (email sent).


Hoping Holmes Will, will at least mention running Richard Gibson's former business, or George Hood himself.


Also got Cooke as a Witness to the attached wedding.


Think I can see a crack forming in George Hood's Berlin Wall hiding his secret past!


Claire's info attached re Hannah Newby. William Mitton of Stamford, Lincolnshire linked to Hannah Newby's Will
?

A George Hood property registration mentions Henry Mitton of Snaith Gent, now of Stamford.


George Hood probably an Independent, Church probably wouldn't bury him and he didn't have the Quaker Burial by Quaker Birthright, due to him being a non-member at burial.

Regards Mark

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #457 on: Monday 27 March 17 22:01 BST (UK) »

There are a few records of 'Holmes' in Clarborough, not sure who Mary Holmes parents are, thought this couple were married a bit early but here they are

Philip HOLMES married Sarah FISHER 16 Nov 1701 Clarborough

MARYs AUNT from transcript of Will:

Thomas HOLMES married MILIAH KELHAM 16 Apr 1739 Clarborough

Miscellaneous marriage

Elizabeth HOLMES married John KILLINGAR married 20 Feb 1722, either at Edlington PC or Dinnington PC or Clarborough PC, Nottinghamshire or Wheatley PC. Groom was from Rotherham.

WILLS: In the Prerogative & Exchequer Courts Of York Probate Index besides Mary's and Philips Will there were two others

John HOLMES of Clarborough Will dated MARCH 1741

John HOLMES of Clarborough Admon dated MAY 1842

Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #458 on: Monday 27 March 17 22:18 BST (UK) »

LATER MARRIAGES incase they could be relevant

Charles HOLMES mar. Sarah JACKSON 25 Dec 1847 Clarborough
Elizabeth HOLMES mar. Edward MARKEY 21 May 1833      "
Gervas KING HOLMES mar. Ann MOWER 09 Jun 1823
Harriet HOLMES mar. Thomas SMITH 01 Aug 1833
John HOLMES of Clarborough and Mary E BRIGHAM of Beverley both 21, mar. 05 Feb 1839 at Beverley by licence

Mary HOLMES mar. William OLIVER 04 Jun 1806 Clarborough
Mary HOLMES mar. John LUMBY 06 Nov 1826
Susannah HOLMES mar. Robert NEWBOULT 01 May 1798
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
Census info is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk