Author Topic: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?  (Read 52179 times)

Offline BushInn1746

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,927
  • George Hood, born Selby, Yorkshire 31st Jan'y 1847
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #144 on: Saturday 16 August 25 23:04 BST (UK) »
Yes, played a perfect yorker right enough, with George Hood, as the ball which could fly in any direction and leave us stumped!

And so many options, George Hood is like a ball and he just bounces in other ways too:-

1) George Hood could be Half Brother to Maudland Hood and therefore his family from Scarborough?

2) The 18th Century Hood events at Selby due to Nonconformism and no NC record keeping, the Hood family at Selby may have slipped underground (we also know of two earlier Hood of Selby buried in other Yorkshire Parishes 18th Century). Selby Parish Chest records are very incomplete too with large gaps.

3) The Newcastle upon Tyne angle and the fact Richard Gibson was from Newcastle. The 1779 John Hood = Elisabeth Gibson, marriage.

But, George could of lived at home, worked, saved and even purchased the business of Richard Gibson, Cooper, at Selby and got his training from the successful John Spencer, Grocer, (who may be the John Spencer, Cooper who trained later in life), but did die a Gentleman at Selby.

4) The earlier John Hood of Selby, being Apprenticed to John Herbert, a Barber Chirurgeon, at Wensley, North Yorkshire, in 1718, meaning one Hood of the old Selby line could have continued the family elsewhere in Yorkshire.

5) Perhaps the church didn't really want to bury G.H. in their Churchyard or would't give him full Service rites (perhaps George Hood of Selby had no baptism), so the Quakers offered, despite them refusing George Membership.

George Hood, you are Conscientious and we like you, but you don't quite fit with us. (That is how the 1836 Quaker Minutes read and the G.H. letter is not filed with others applying, not all seem to be kept).

6) Eliza Hord of Thorne would be 16 (in 1785) and could be old enough to be the Mother of George Hood, before she married?

1795
Henry Casson of Myton, Hull, Miller (Son of Mordecai Casson of Thorne, Currier & Sarah, deceased), married Elizabeth Hord (Daughter of Jeremiah Hord of Hull, Mariner, by Elizabeth, deceased), wits John Belton ; Edw West ; Mord: Casson Jun'r.

1796 28th July, Duty Paid on Apprentices
Mordecai Casson, Thorne, Co of York, Draper & c., John COCKIN [Apprentice]

7) Not knowing the mystery of Jane Hood of Selby, buried 1803 and if really a wife, where the marriage was.

8 ) The Sugar Tongs of the Son of a Hood of Selby with W.M.H., on them and mentioned in 1941 and do they point to a mystery Hood, or someone else. No explanation and the Beneficiary died a person claims Admin registered and when that Administrator dies she only has an Admin too (got both from HMCTS Probate Registry).

9) George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, and the previous Occupier with a possible link to a surname come across,

10) The £510 George Hood of Selby got Edward Parker to pay (on Hood's behalf) in 1836, to the Earl of Surrey, apparently for some Rights of Lord Petrie (relating to the 1835 property Sale it seems).

Those might be the unexplained Rights mentioned in Hood's Will and William Massey it seems had the benefit of the Rights while George Hood was alive.

11) When in 1815 at Selby Abbey, William Massey 23, [Jun'r] married (against his Quaker beliefs) to Mary Procter 22, a Hartas Grandchild carries Fothergill as a middle name and also one witness at the 1815 William Massey = Mary Procter, marriage was Jno Fothergill, and his one off unique signature can be identified in a later marriage and the marriage parties Birth can be found in the Census, confirming Fothergill to link to Mark Fothergill of Selby and Francis Fothergill of Aiskew and by marriages he links to William Frankland of Yafforth and to Hood of Kirkbridge.

You are dead right George Hood has played a 'Yorker', leaving numerous connection possibilities to literallby bounce him to numerous families, but without leaving the clinching piece required.

 ---------------

There are 3 or 4 vessels called Mary linked to Newcastle, in Lloyd's Register, not one fits re Burthen Weight and with American built and not one vessel named Mary in a long list of Mary over several pages has a Hood as Master (same for several years). So I cannot establish an owner and possibly the owner location.

No earlier "Mary, Hood" ; in the Newcastle newspaper to match the 10 year vessel age.

The Newcastle newspaper only seems to be only selecting a few to publish in a paragraph, but when the list is published rarely in Newcastle it is more numerous and includes vessels at other places.

Mary is turning out to be the Marie Celeste of Newcastle upon Tyne / Shields  :(

Oh yes George Hood of Selby has left a stack of information about himself and his life and so many possible suggestive trails and little to confirm.

The Headstones of Gateshead St Mary were recorded a long time ago which was reprinted and Barbara Nelson was not listed.

Mark

Thanks, I had forgotten the 1781 John Hood & Martha Dean (Banns read only at Scarborough) but if they did become a couple it is not known.

There was a Martha Dean, Publican, in Mountain's 1800 Selby Directory, but she was already married I was led to believe.

Offline dobfarm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,042
  • Scarcliffe village Derbyshire
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #145 on: Saturday 16 August 25 23:56 BST (UK) »
Yes, played a perfect yorker right enough, with George Hood, as the ball which could fly in any direction and leave us stumped!

And so many options, I could play George and he just bounces other ways too:-

1) George Hood is Half Brother to Maudland Hood and therefore from Scarborough.

2) The earlier 18th Century Hood events at Selby due to Nonconformism no NC record keeping so Hoods may have slipped the Hood family at Selby underground (we know of two Hood of Selby buried in other Yorkshire Parishes). Parish Chest records are very incomplete too.

3) The Newcastle upon Tyne angle and the fact Richard Gibson was from Newcastle.

George could of lived at home, worked, saved and purchased the business and got his training from the highly successful John Spencer, Grocer, who may be the John Spencer, Cooper who trained late in life and died a Gentleman.

4) The earlier John Hood of Selby, being Apprenticed to Mr Herbert, a Barber Surgeon, at Wensley, North Yorkshire, meaning one Hood of the old Selby line could have continued the family elsewhere in Yorkshire.

5) Perhaps the church didn't really want to bury G.H. in their Churchyard or would't give him full Service rites (perhaps George Hood had no baptism), so the Quakers offered, despite them refusing George Membership. Sorry Pal, you are Conscientious and we like you, but you don't quite fit with us. (That is how the 1836 Quaker Minutes read and the G.H. letter is not filed with others applying, not all seem to be kept).

6) Elizabeth Hord of Thorne would be 16 and could be his Mother and gave Birth to George.

The Apprentice with Hord Casson of Thorne, Apprentice was John COCKIN.

7) Not knowing the mystery of Jane Hood of Selby, buried 1803 and if really a wife, where the marriage was.

8 ) The Hood Sugar Tongs with W.M
H., on and do they point to a mystery Hood, or someone else. No explanation in the Will and the Beneficiary only has an Admin registered and when the Administrator dies she only has an Admin too (got both from HMCTS).

9) George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, and the previous Occupier with a possible link to a surname come across,

10) The £510 George Hood of Selby got Edward Parker to pay (on Hood's behalf) in 1836, to the Earl of Surrey, apparently for some Rights of Lord Petrie (relating to the 1835 property Sale it seems).

Those are the unexplained Rights mentioned in Hood's Will and William Massey had the benefit of the Rights for the life of George Hood.

11) When William Massey, Jun'r of Selby married in Selby Church (against his Quaker beliefs) to Mary Procter, a Hartas Grandchild carries Fothergill as a middle name and one witness at the Massey = Procter, marriage was    Fothergill, and his one off unique signature can be identified in a later marriage and the marriage parties Birth can be found in the Census, confirming Fothergill to link to Mark Fothergill of Aiskew and by marriage he links to Hood of Kirkbridge.

You are dead right George Hood has played a 'Yorker', leaving numerous connection possibilities to literallby bounce him to numerous families, but without leaving the clinching piece required.

 ---------------

There are 3 or 4 vessels called Mary linked to Newcastle, in Lloyd's Register, not one fits re Burthen Weight and with American built and not one vessel named Mary in a long list of Mary over several pages has a Hood as Master (same for several years). So I cannot establish an owner and possibly the owner location.

No earlier "Mary, Hood" ; in the Newcastle newspaper to match the 10 year vessel age.

The Newcastle newspaper only seems to be only selecting a few to publish in a paragraph, but when the list is published rarely in Newcastle it is more numerous and includes vessels at other places.

Mary is turning out to be the Marie Celeste of Newcastle upon Tyne / Shields  :(

Oh yes George Hood of Selby has left a stack of information about himself and his life and so many possible suggestive trails and little to confirm.

The Headstones of Gateshead St Mary were recorded a long time ago which was reprinted and Barbara Nelson was not afforded one.

Mark

And not forgetting Martha Dean - (If George Hood's father was John Hood of Selby then it father like son -  full of mystery) aswell as Jane Hood buried 1803 - one a possibley mother of George,
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

Offline dobfarm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,042
  • Scarcliffe village Derbyshire
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #146 on: Monday 18 August 25 05:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Mark,

With John Hood of being a mariner and post 1775 Elizabeth Hoods burial, no marriage found in the UK. There could be a marriage, Channel islands, Isle of man or abroad

In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

Offline dobfarm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,042
  • Scarcliffe village Derbyshire
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #147 on: Wednesday 20 August 25 06:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Mark

 From your notes past! and other threads

Connections ? a lot of Hood surnames around that Ship Inn, South shore, Gateshead.

(Between John Hood innkeeper, Ship inn, South shore 1787 and William Carr publican, Ship, South shore 1790. aforesaid John Hood could have left South shore 1788 to 1790)

John Hood, Ship Inn, South Shore Gateshead. 1787 Trades directory
Related ?
Robert Hood of Newcastle moved Kings Head Inn Sunderland (Moor Street) 1786 or 87

There is a King's Head beer house, Moor Street, in the 1894 Whelan's Directory,


William Carr, Ship, South Shore Gateshead 1790 later  A. Hood & Co.

South Bishopwearmouth / Sunderland
The Sunderland area, was where James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood (34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland 25 September 1863), before the birth of their next child at Selby.

Moor Street and Blandford Street both of Sunderland are about 1/8th of a mile apart - ?

Mrs Clark and Mr Hood 1789 at the Ship, South shore

Who could be Margaret Hood wife of John Clark married 1762  (Later widowed) Sunderland & niece of William Hood - Will South Shields

John Hood inn keeper/publican South shore 1787 trade directory


The Partnership in a Ropery at the South Shore [Gateshead], operating as Stoddart and Hood, was taken over in 1797 by A. Hood & Co.






https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=701916.18

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg7675020#msg7675020

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6034132#msg6034132

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=search2

In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth


Offline BushInn1746

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,927
  • George Hood, born Selby, Yorkshire 31st Jan'y 1847
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #148 on: Thursday 21 August 25 22:24 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Thanks for your summary Dave.

Robert Hood took the King's Head Inn, Sunderland in 1786.

The following year in the Newcastle Courant, on 24th February 1787 the King's Head, Sunderland, described as an Inn, was being offered to let and the image says the current occupier was Mr R. Hood.

So it doesn't look like Robert Hood stayed at the King's Head, very long.

Mark


Offline dobfarm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,042
  • Scarcliffe village Derbyshire
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #149 on: Saturday 23 August 25 10:43 BST (UK) »
Hi

Sunderland

Maybe a short time for Robert Hood innkeeper  (time of 1786 George Hood Baptism ) but a bit more research in him maybe if there are any records as to see if there is any link downstream to James and Sarah Hood of Selby. (son of George Hood of Selby born circa 1786)

Just a few bits

Edward Hammond (Brighton Distiller)

Mary Ryle X Robert Hood innkeeper

John Hood X Sarah Hamond widow marriage 1778 London (Is there a link to Edward Hammond above)

All these Hood’s South Shore Gateshead

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg6077851#msg6077851Pulborough
Post #32 above link

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21P-DQTT?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCTN-JV?view=index&cc=1675690&lang=en&groupId=
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCTL-8J?view=index&cc=1675690&lang=en&groupId=

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195976.msg6055402#msg6055402

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195976.9


 
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

Offline BushInn1746

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,927
  • George Hood, born Selby, Yorkshire 31st Jan'y 1847
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #150 on: Sunday 24 August 25 22:48 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Dave, hopefully we may be able to confirm what happened to George Hood, baptised at Gateshead in 1786.

Found a John Hood born at Gateshead, County Durham 19th August 1829 (Merchant Seaman Register 450166).

John Hood, it seems was never on a particular named vessel in the period of this Register.

1832 Baptisms at Jarrow
There is a John Hood, baptised in 1832 in the neighbouring Parish of Jarrow, after George Hood, married Isabella Robinson, in 1831, they lived at Hedworth in the Parish of Jarrow.

1834 Insolvents Appearing at Court
George Hood, Farmer, formerly of Hedworth, in the Parish of Jarrow, late of Dean House, Seaham Harbour, was declared insolvent.

1836 Baptisms at Dalton le Dale, (which covers Seaham Harbour)
Joseph Hood, Son of George Hood & Isabella Hood, living at Dene House.

In 1841 Joseph Hood is aged 4 and born E[ngland] with George and Isabella Hood and family, at Tarlogie, Nr Tain, Scotland.

 --------------------

George Hood, died at Tarlogie, near Tain, Scotland, in 1846, Isabella Hood, his Widow, stayed on at the farm Tarlogie, but by 1861 was at Harton, back in the Parish of Jarrow, County Durham ...

Reply #18
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770843.msg7677352#msg7677352

Mark

Offline dobfarm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,042
  • Scarcliffe village Derbyshire
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #151 on: Monday 25 August 25 10:49 BST (UK) »


George Hood, died at Tarlogie, near Tain, Scotland, in 1846, Isabella Hood, his Widow, stayed on at the farm Tarlogie, but by 1861 was at Harton, back in the Parish of Jarrow, County Durham ...


Mark

Have you got an age at death for this George Hood died 1846 Tarlogie

George was aged 30  (= Born 1800 ish) upwards on bond allegation 1831

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D41L-1V?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ293-89PM&action=view&lang=en&groupId=
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

Offline BushInn1746

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,927
  • George Hood, born Selby, Yorkshire 31st Jan'y 1847
    • View Profile
Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #152 on: Monday 25 August 25 21:37 BST (UK) »


George Hood, died at Tarlogie, near Tain, Scotland, in 1846, Isabella Hood, his Widow, stayed on at the farm Tarlogie, but by 1861 was at Harton, back in the Parish of Jarrow, County Durham ...


Mark

Have you got an age at death for this George Hood died 1846 Tarlogie

George was aged 30  (= Born 1800 ish) upwards on bond allegation 1831

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D41L-1V?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ293-89PM&action=view&lang=en&groupId=

Hello All

Thank you Dave for the link to the Marriage Allegation, George Hood and Isabella Robinson, are the couple.

Unfortunately, Civil Registration in Scotland started in 1855, so no Civil Death record and no Church burial found yet for George Hood of Tarlogie, near Tain.

However, we know George Hood died at Tarlogie in 1846 because there is newspaper Deaths notice and a Notice to Creditors (attached here) ...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770843.msg7677352#msg7677352

A Memorial has been transcribed and is claimed to exist in the Council Cemetery at Westoe, which mentions various members of this other Hood family and George Hood of Tarlogie age was transcribed as aged 51 which gives a Birth of about 1795.

But if the 1786 Gateshead baptism is not accepted as his, he may be like my George Hood of Selby, who does not have a Baptism.

Jumping, George Hood of Selby, Yorkshire, to Gateshead in County Durham does not sound right nor feel right. George Hood, at Selby has claimed in 1841 on his Household Schedule to the Census Enumerator to have been born Yorkshire. Also he had local connections to people and business people at Selby, Yorkshire.

When I see a baptism in other families, I can see straight away, that is the one! But I don't get this with Gateshead at all.

The Hoods of Gateshead are alien to mine, not even Hood of Windmill Hills, nor the Stoddart, who seem to move on elsewhere in England, they are not mentioned, nor have any connection to mine.

There was no Hood in his named vessel, nor any vessel with Hood as a Master from Hull, arriving at nearby Shields and that particular week in the Newcastle newspaper was quite detailed, compared to other weeks.

Only that the named vessel with Hood as Master has left Hull for London, South, the other way.

I am sorry, I just don't get that feeling with the Gateshead 1786 baptism and trying to make it fit, or even rule it out, is time that I should be reviewing the other dozen or so possibles for George Hood's origin and seeing if I have missed any document images, available to purchase.

Only that another George Hood (different to mine) was in fact living in the adjacent Parish to Gateshead, but didn't show up in any local Census to Gateshead, because he had moved on and then moved to Scotland, where he died in 1846.

What I am trying to say is there has to be something new and more specific actually linking George Hood of Selby to Gateshead, to return to Gateshead and there is nothing currently.

Mark

Even Richard Gibson, completely disappears into the sunset (like he has vaporized  ;D into thin air), so I can't even find his family, nor his family later.