George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?

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John Hood mariner widower husband of wife Elizabeth who died 1775.

If he remarried post 1775 - Scenario question 1: did he marry a widow with a son George who took John Hood's surname.

Scenario question 2: Did he marry a widow with an illegitimate son who took John Hood's surname.

Scenario question 3: John Hood married and had his own son George (No record of only the Gateshead baptism)
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These are real thing years in  happenings in (underlined)that can't be ignore 

Jane Hood burial wife of John Hood mariner 1803 burial Selby ( actual factual event with no other before death info) could be mother of George

Elizabeth Leppington Hood John's first wife died 1775 Scarborough.


George Hood son of John  Baptism 1786 Gateshead  ( actual factual event with no other after life or death info)

George Hood turns up in Wren lane Copper business Selby 1812

Something or nothing

With John Hood mariner who died 1819 in Selby who we can assume would be at sea a lot.

1775 above John's wife Elizabeth died.

With the lack of other John Hood mariners of Selby, we can assume Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner burial 1803 Selby was a later wife of the above John Hood mariner

Selby Land Tax
1781 and 1782 (George Hood born approx. 1785-1787)
Proprietor                       Occupiers
Mr Turner  ( 2 Tenem'ts  Mrs Slipper & J. Hood

John Hood's daugther Maudland Hood married a Turner)

So !
Question arises 1) Is J Hood with Mrs Slipper is John Hood or his wife Jane Hood

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(This needs a bit of thought)  2) Is Mrs Slipper a widow maybe Mrs Jane Slipper who later married John Hood but married in her maiden name and later married John Hood

Question or scenario:- Was George Slipper born an illegitimate child of Mrs Slipper being George Slipper.

OK- Is George Slipper the son of John Hood or another father ? but took John Hood's surname Hood after he married Mrs Jane Slipper a widow (Hence no baptism of George Hood (Slipper)


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Selby Land Tax 1814
Proprietor          Occupier
M' Spencer        1st Ten'mt  Mr Hood (<-Could this Mr Hood be George Hood)
                            2nd ----------   -------------
Mark you said George Hood could have been linked to a Mr Spencer through his trade as a Cooper (Apprentice ?)

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave

Semi-detached Houses
They were two separate Tenements in the 1780s, listed as 2 or Two Tenements. The Deed Registrations confirm the property was divided into separate houses

The writing in some of these Land Tax books was not always clear and some name spellings seem to be just copied from the year before, if the Occupier remained the same. They are really an accounting record of the amounts collected.

Shippen
Claire also looked at the 1780s entries and felt the surname ought to read Shippen.

If you search Shippen Hood you can see the past comments made, I have put one of the links here ...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304
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I am not quite sure what your 1814 comment means.

John Spencer their Landlord at Selby had already died and left a Will, although John Spencer had other relatives and a John Spencer relative at Conisbrough.

In the 1812 Land Tax George Hood had become an Occupier of Lord Petre.

George Hood was a Tenant of Lord Petre at Selby and was confirmed in the Deed Memorial Registrations at Wakefield Archives - Book GH, page 446, No. 496 (No. 496 goes over several pages). The Hon. Lord Petre to Groom, Registered 4th December 1813

Other Tenants of Lord Petre at Selby are listed.

The above was one of the documents used to sell the Petre properties at Selby being sold in the 1835 Sale.

Shirley found some photos online and kindly emailed them and a plan.

1835 Plan
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=882680.msg7562789#msg7562789

Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark,

A while ago, looking at any possibility your George Hood died 1845 Selby was the Gateshead baptism 1786 son of John Hood - then maybe the John Hood Innkeeper of the Ship Inn Gateshead was the same John Hood as George Hood  baptism father John Hood and the son George could have learned his trades as a cooper also brewing knowledge through being brought up in a pu

You came back saying a Mr Spencer who was involved in grocery trade and they used barrels with
 A possibility George learning his trade as a cooper with this Mr Spencer in Yorkshire or Selby ?.

The thought passed through my mind if the above Mr Spencer was the same Mr Spencer as above George - your George could have lived in Mr Spencer's property  1814 or even with him before he got married in Selby 1815 --Was Mr Spencer a grocer/cooper by trade and George was Mr Spencersd apprentice say between 1800 age 14 to aged 21 in 1807.

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave

We think John Hood's Landlord (1792 to 1802/3), John Spencer married Mary More, both of the Parish of Hemsworth, at Hemsworth in 1757. Present as wits., were:- James Townsend ; Joseph Townsend.

Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough died in 1801 and left a Will Proved October 1801 and may have left something to John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby, hence his status changing to Gentleman by his death.

John Spencer of Selby (Abstract of) Will, Proved January 1810.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7210494

I have enquired about ordering the Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough 1801 Will, because Joseph was a Brother or relative of John Spencer of Selby (although probably unlikely to mention John Spencer's Tenant, it might be worth a gamble).

Tax Paid on Apprentices
John Spencer, to Thos Fawthorpe, Cooper, Selby, listing was dated 1769.

Apprentice ages not given, but if a young Apprentice, these are not the same John Spencer.

Mark

[dobfarm]

Hello Dave

We think John Hood's Landlord (1792 to 1802/3), John Spencer married Mary More, both of the Parish of Hemsworth, at Hemsworth in 1757. Present as wits., were:- James Townsend ; Joseph Townsend.

Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough died in 1801 and left a Will Proved October 1801 and may have left something to John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby, hence his status changing to Gentleman by his death.

John Spencer of Selby (Abstract of) Will, Proved January 1810.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7210494

I have enquired about ordering the Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough 1801 Will, because Joseph was a Brother or relative of John Spencer of Selby (although probably unlikely to mention John Spencer's Tenant, it might be worth a gamble).

Tax Paid on Apprentices
John Spencer, to Thos Fawthorpe, Cooper, Selby, listing was dated 1769.

Apprentice ages not given, but if a young Apprentice, these are not the same John Spencer.

Mark

Hi again.

Seeing this (Quote you above) ' Tax Paid on Apprentices
John Spencer, to Thos Fawthorpe, Cooper, Selby, listing was dated 1769.

Well the Spencer's name is associate to the Scarborough Hood's and there was a George Hood that married X  Maudlin Spencer 13 Jan 1731 York or Scarborough

All names that keep popping up and now a Spencer as a cooper.

Is there a connection we are missing ?

[BushInn1746]

Dave

A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524

I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.

His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.

One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.

The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
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Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
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When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.

Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.

Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!

1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.

1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.

It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.

Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568

Mark

ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.

Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606

[dobfarm]

Dave

A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524

I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.

His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.

One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.

The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
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Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
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When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.

Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.

Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!

1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.

1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.

It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.

Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568

Mark

ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.

Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606

Mark  Quote from

From paragraph above in red

because the Hood Landlord  from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.

A lot of Spencer's to be coincidence

Makes one wonder if George Hood born c 1786 later of Selby was born George Spencer c 1786 and his (Jane Hood maybe ?) mother had George illegitimate, then later married a chap called (John - ?) Hood

[dobfarm]

Dave

A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524

I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.

His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.

One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.

The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
 ---------------

Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
 ---------------

When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.

Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.

Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!

1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.

1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.

It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.

Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568

Mark

ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.

Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606

Mark  Quote from

From paragraph above in red

because the Hood Landlord  from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.

A lot of Spencer's to be coincidence

Makes one wonder if George Hood born c 1786 later of Selby was born George Spencer c 1786 and his (Jane Hood maybe ?) mother had George illegitimate, then later married a chap called (John - ?) Hood

Mark,

Just some obvious questions here

1792 John Hood of Selby who died 1891 in Selby new landlord was John Spencer the grocer of Selby.

Elizabeth Spencer, widow Leppington wife of above John Hood died 1775

John Hood is a mariner away at sea/inland waterways (small coaster ship/packboat) a lot, so his Selby abode is a stopover stay, (probably one of many coastal and inland port stopovers) and so who looked after John Hood's other children (if any) and  Maudland with  George Hood as children. Where did his kids live, with John Spencer the landlord, grocer cooper of Selby ? maybe with Maudland as a maid help and George as a live in unoffical apprentice of John Spencer the grocer of Selby

Who was Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner died Selby 1803 from one of John Hood's stopovers, ports on the river Don navigation, rivers Ouse, Tyne, Thames. Humber and Aire navigations and coastal ports maybe, and did she bring up Maudland and George Hood while John Hood was away and where.

[dobfarm]

Dave

A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524

I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
 ---------------

When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.

His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.

One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.

The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
 ---------------

Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
 ---------------

When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.

Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.

Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!

1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.

1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.

It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.

Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568

Mark

ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.

Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606

Mark

Did your ever find Elizabeth Spencer's (Leppington/Hood) baptism father John - died/buried 1775 Scarborough as I can't find a baptism in Scarborough 1720 to 1740 search

There's Elizabeth Spencer father John in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736