George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark.

I don't think this George Hood age 30 upwards X  Isabella Robinson, age 21 marriage 1831 and the death of this George Hood died at Tarlogie in 1846 age 51. If it had been the other way round being 10 years before the Gateshead George Hood son of John Hood baptism 1786 , then he could have been born 10 years before his baptised. You have an age of birth years parameters 1795 to 1800 a good 9 to 14 years after the Gateshead George Hood baptism 1786.

 So its not confirmed.

 Facts are what is, not what one wants if the facts don't fit ones likings - hence cover all angles as and when.

1841 census being the first naming people as always been a bit iffy and who gave the enumerator the info/ same as death certificate age depending the person who register the death knowledge the deceased's true death age or not.

So! Its on record to go back too.and I fully understand you wanting to keep your mind on your present thoughts of research.


(I read somewhere you thought the Selby death of George Hood 1845 in the Quaker ground maybe was because the Abbey C of E would not have George buried in the Abbey graveyard? but George was involved in the parish being an Overseer also married as C of E 1815 . My opinion is it was Quaker Cassion Hood who got both George and Sarah (Russell) buried in the Quaker burial ground and thus George was seriously involved in the C of E Selby parish.)

One day something may turn up 

I had the same problem with my maternal umpteen Gt granddads back, Thomas Tidmarsh born 1771 ish back on the 1841census for Balsall in Warwickshire birth place Staffordshire, I could not find his baptism till I found his daughters marriage, her surname Tidmarsh but her father signed himself as witness Thomas Tidmash (no R) and I soon found his baptism Thomas Tidmash (No R) 1771 in Atherstone  and years later found a poor relief Oveseerers record in Balsall as Thomas Tidmas (no R or H) payment from Atherstone Parish Overseer (Parish of birth). So keep looking.

Dave

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave

I'm just trying to keep an open mind.

Received the Will of Jonathan Hutchinson of Gedney [Sen'r], died 1st April 1835, Proved 1835 Lincs Cons. Court.

Seen both Jonathan Hutchinson Sen'r of Gedney and Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby, Jun'r, Wills, now.

1835 Will of Jonathan Hutchinson of Gedney ...
Mentions Three Sons:-
John Hutchinson,
Jonathan Hutchinson,
Procter Hutchinson.

Daughter:- Rachel Hutchinson.

Grandson:- Edward Neave son of Gundry Neave of Leiston in the County of Suffolk, Shopkeeper.

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The 1846 Calendar [Index] of Wills of the Prerogative Exchequer Court of York says:-
Lydia Neave (Wife of Gundry Neave) (formerly Lydia Hutchinson Spinster) of Leiston Co: Suffolk, Prog. A. 100 l.

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The two Wills (the other James Cockin of Luddington 1795) and three A4 pages of a Hood Pedigree just over £88.

But my health is no good for travelling or mixing. I suppose the reproduction cost probably would not be much different to two meals and the return train fare.

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I am awaiting two York Wills.

Mark

[BushInn1746]

Why the Hood Pedigree, which was a Line Tree (who didn't have many Sons) from John Hood of Craike, County of York, who married Radcliffe (The Family of Radcliffe, Earls of Derwentwater) and the Hood line to the early 20th Century, was in the Dixon documents, I have not found out.

Dixon, seemed to have a collection of Family Pedigrees.

Anyway, I definitely cannot see for the life of me, how a Tree on Ancestry, links John Hood of Pontefract and Knottingley, to this Hood family Pedigree at Kirkbridge, Yorks and Nettleham, Lincs., and Togher House, Ireland.

Especially, when John Hood of Pontefract and Knottingley, has an earlier marriage 12th October 1761 in the Parish of Pontefract to Sarah Thompson.

Mark

[BushInn1746]

Hello All

Just for information Dave.

I was most interested (to begin with) to find this Mrs Ann Hood, Widow, of Gateshead, on Family Search, Full Text Search.

Until I found this, which means she cannot go back to John Hood ...

Newcastle Courant, 15th January 1841

At Gateshead, in Grosvenor Street, on the 7th inst., aged 40, Mrs Ann Hood, relict of the late Mr Jabez Hood, spirit merchant, Newcastle.

Jabez Hood of the Close, Newcastle, was the Son of Robert Hood of The Bee Hive premises (per Newcastle Journal 9th & 16th February 1839), so she cannot link back to the Father, John Hood in the 1786 Baptism.

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I have a suspicion John Hood, Master of the Brig called the Mary of Inverness was from the North.

Added:
In 1814 there was a person called, J. Hood, sailing a vessel called Lizard, linked to Inverness or an Inverness Company.

Added:
I have an 1820 Scottish Will of the Ross Commissary Court, of James Hood of Cromarty, Ship Master.

Added:
Some of the Hood of Berwick, were also Masters and Sailors.


1828
Also that Elizabeth Selby Hood buried Newcastle in 1828, was the daughter of John Hood of Kilfinnan (newspaper notice), and also likely the Sister to John Hood, Factor, of the Estate at Glengarry, residing at Invergarry, Scotland and George Hood, Farmer, of Tarlogie, near Tain, Scotland.

1776
I have a Commander Jubb of the Brig, Mary, but very unlikely to be the same vessel, if from another Port or Harbour.

1776 The Brig, Mary, at "Bill Key" Newcastle, Captain, Philip Jubb, regarding Lauchlan Anderson of Cleash [Cleish?] Fifeshire, apprentice to Captain, Wharton Wilson

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I'm looking at yet another possible link by association, to John Turner, Grocer, of Selby (John Hood's Landlord at Selby) to Holliday of Wren Lane, sharing the premises with Richard Gibson.

1778 at Selby
John Halliday, Cordwainer married Mary Breasley, witnesses:- Hannah Gowland, Jno Todd and John Dickinson, Jun'r were witnesses.

1778 at Selby
Mary Halliday (newly married) is then present 6 months later at John Turner, Grocer, marriage to Hannah Gowland and both marriages have the same Todd and Dickinson witnesses.

Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark

I thought! you were putting Newcastle upon Tyne stuff and Gateshead George Hood son of John Hood baptism Oct 1886 on the back burner to concentrate of your Selby Hood's connections Maudland Turner (Hood) to George and John Hood Mariner and other connections.

That Dickinson witness surname keeps popping up as witnesses over the decades 1776 to 1815 Selby.

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Quote your post ;
 
Newcastle Courant, 15th January 1841

At Gateshead, in Grosvenor Street, on the 7th inst., aged 40, Mrs Ann Hood, relict of the late Mr Jabez Hood, spirit merchant, Newcastle.

 Unquote:


Ann Hood > ? - aged 40 (born 1800 ish) in 1841 as you say - a bit late for connections to John Hood father of George baptism 1786

 Yet even later it still has the recurring connection to the alcohol  trade - ? (Exact year of baptism 1786 looking for you George and a possible innkeeper father John at the Ship inn both Gateshead 1786/1787- again the other pointer to of your George's trade brewing & barrels [Cooper])

 Those Hood's around the Ship inn, Roper makers, Anthony Hood the general businessman connections, then  Mrs Clark of the Ship inn Southshore connected to Sunderland - across the river Robert Hood Newcastle innkeeper who for a short time had the Kings Head inn Sunderland

Puzzler is still - What happened to John Hood Innkeeper of the Ship in Southshore Gateshead post 1787 - 1789 - did he move south to another pub/inn and his connections to the other Tyneside and possible Sunderland also South shields like Robert Hood innkeeper

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Yorkshire as a whole is a big county norther parts nearer to Sunderland and your George's son James being there in later years.

That 1841 Census George Hood  born this county (Yorkshire) or not - first full census taken - very iffy in all cases as to where born--- in or out of county

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John Spencer  ( suspected cooper ) Grocer Landlord of John Hood or John Turner Grocer Landlord of John Hood ?

Mauland Hood's husband was a Turner ( trade a  blacksmith ? ) - linked to  South Kirkby
and Spencers
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Blacksmith trade goes with cooper trade to make the steel rings around the barrels (Wren lane maybe)

[BushInn1746]

There is an Archive attached to the Library at Gateshead and have enquired. There was also a Directory in 1778.

Newcastle upon Tyne

I think we have gone as far as possible with the Hood family in Newcastle for the moment with regard to 1 & 2 below and thought I am going to attack this from the Scott Family and see if that reveals anything for me, any clue, or even a family Tree, etc.

Several things took us to Newcastle upon Tyne, originally:-

1) The 1786 Baptism of George Hood (Father John Hood) at Gateshead and the title of this Thread (despite asking and purchasing a Colour P.R., image as well, no other information in B.T. image, nor P.R. image)

2) The 1779 Marriage at Newcastle All Saints of John Hood, Mariner and Elizabeth Gibson, at which both John Scott and Elisabeth Lambton were witnesses.

3) Richard Gibson of Selby, Yorkshire, Cooper, was a Native of Newcastle upon Tyne.


1775, 27th August All Saints
John Scott, a Waterman, married Eleanor Hood, Widow.


Then today I found this and I don't even know yet if these Scott will go back to the same John Scott (above).

Extract may not be 100% accurate as the handwriting has been lifted electronically from the image, but the Will should be available on the N.E. Inheritance Project.

1838, the Will of Eleanor Curry of Chatton Park, Northumberland

This is the last Will and Testament of me Eleanor Curry of Chatton Park in the County of Northumberland Spinster I direct my just debts and funeral and Testamentary expences to be paid by my Executor hereinafter named out of my personal estate I give and bequeath the sum of Four hundred pounds unto George William Cram of Newcastle upon Tyne Gentleman To hold the same to him his executors administrators and assigns Upon Trust to place out and invest the same at interest upon real or Government security with power from time to time to alter and vary the said sum of Four hundred pounds into other Stocks Funds and securities of a like nature and upon further Trust during the life of my first Cousin Margery Neill of Alnwick Spinister to pay to her the yearly interest and dividends arising from the said sum of Four hundred pounds or unto such person or persons as she whether covert[?] or sole by any writing shall appoint and from and immediately after her decease then I will and direct that the said sum of Four hundred pounds and all securities whereon the same shall be invested shall be upon the Trusts following that is to say as to one full moiety thereof In Trust for all and every the child and children of my Cousin John Rogers of Horton in the County of Northumberland who shall be living at my decease equally divided among them if more than one share and share alike And as to the other Moiety thereof In Trust for all and every the child and children George Rogers of Holywell in the parish of Earsdon in the said County of Northumberland equally divided among them if more than one share and share alike I give and bequeath the sum of Two hundred pounds to the child and children of John Dory and Mary Dory his wife of Slanes Castle who shall be living at the time of my decease equally to be divided between them if more than one I give to my Cousins Robert Scott and John Scott of Newcastle upon Tyne and James Scott of Milford in the County of Northumberland and to Mary Bell the surviving daughter of their late Sister Margaret Bell deceased the sum of Nineteen guineas each I give to William Scott Elizabeth Hall and John Scott respectively sons and daughter of William Scott of Pandon in Newcastle upon Tyne Sawyer and to Thomasine Scott daughter of David Scott Mariner deceased and to Joseph Greene son of Hannah Greener sister of the said William Scott of Pandon the sum of Nineteen guineas each which last mentioned five legacies I direct to be paid out of a sum of one hundred pounds lent by me to William Scott of Rotterdam agent son of William Scott of Pandon aforesaid I give all my household furniture plate linen and other household effects among the children of the said John Rogers and George Rogers and in case they cannot agree among themselves as to the division thereof then I direct my Executor to divide the same among them in such manner as he shall think proper And as to all the residue of my Estate and Effects not hereinbefore specifically bequeathed or disposed of I give and bequeath the same unto James Rogers son of the said George Rogers his executors administrators and assigns for his absolute use I devise all estate now vested in me upon Mortgage or upon any trust unto the said George William Cram To hold the same to him his heirs executors administrators and assigns respectively according to the different nature and tenures thereof upon the several trusts affecting the same I appoint the said George William Cram sole executor of this my will ...
End of Page 1

Page 3
Witnessed by
Elizabeth Pratt, Chatton Park
Percy Pratt
John Pratt


I shall have to look and see if any these are related to the John Scott marrying Eleanor Hood at Newcastle, obviously Newcastle is a big place and there might be several Scott families.

Mark


ADDED:
Possible ...
1796 Baptisms, Sunderland
December
28, Thomasine Daug'r of David & Mary Scott, born 12 Nov'r 1796.

[BushInn1746]

Further to last reply.

1838, Newcastle Journal, 13th October
ELEANOR CURRY, DECEASED.
ALL Persons having Claims or Demands on the Estate of ELEANOR CURRY, late of Chatton Park in the County of Northumberland, Spinster, deceased, are requested forthwith to send the Particulars to Mr. Geo. William Cram, of Newcastle upon Tyne, Solicitor, the Executor ; and all Persons indebted to the Estate are also requested to pay such Debts to Mr. CRAM.
Newcastle, 10th October, 1838.


I'll add information shortly because Two dying 1838, both linked to Chatton with similar names Eleanor Curry 64 years. Also an Ellen Curry, a 3 year old, burial at Wooler.


Chatton Park Farm
After this on February 1839, another sale notice mentions a Mrs Pratt selling her Farm Implements of Husbandry, the Farm on Chatton Park Farm, near Wooler.


1830 Chatton Park
Interesting, that earlier in 1830 a Notice regarding Chatton Park, mentioned a, James Burrell.

Might be an earlier Occupier of Chatton Park and a coincidence with the Burrell surname previously discussed, but noted it, just in case.

July 1830
All persons to whom the Executors of the late Thomas Burrell, of Doddington, Northumberland, stood indebted at the 12th of May, 1829, are requested to send in their accounts, with the nature of their securities, if any, to James Burrell of Chatton Park, in the same County.—And all persons indebted to the said Executors, are requested to pay the same to the said James Burrell without further notice.
Alnwick, July 13th, 1830.


ADDED:
1838 Certificate of Death, Glendale Registration District
12th June 1838
Eleanor Curry at Chatton Park,
Female, 64 Years,
House Servant,
Cause of Death:  column blank and struck through,
The mark of Mary Woodcock, Present at Death, Chatton Park,
Registered 25th June 1838,
William Wightman Registrar.


2nd Add:
A search with surname CURRY has found a very short Death entry in the:-
Newcastle Courant, 29th June 1838.
The 10th inst. at Chatham Park, Northumberland, aged 64, much respected, Miss Eleanor Curry.

The Will and Death Certificate say Chatton Park, Northumberland.


The other Death Certificate Not Available for instant download.

1838 Wooler Burial Register
Ellen Curry, Abode: Chatton, 14th Dec'r, Age 3 years, burial by H. Grey at "Wooler, Northumberland"


Mark

[BushInn1746]

Another Will relating to the same Scott Family of Newcastle upon Tyne, mentioning Eleanor Curry.

I cannot see any Hood link and it does not say if James Burrell (named) was related.


1832 Durham Wills

The last Will and Testament of Mary Galloway of Alnwick, Northumberland ...
 ... my Niece Eleanor Curry £200 ...
 ... William Rogers of Belford in the said County Shoemaker ...
 ... James Scott of Coldside in the same County Farmer ...
 ... unto the Three children of William Scott of Newcastle upon Tyne Sawyer ...
 ... my Friends Thomas Harrison of Alnwick aforesaid Plumber and Glazier and George Davison of the same Place Innkeeper their Executors and administrators ... £200 ... Upon Trust
 ... James Burrell of Chatton Park in the said County Yeoman ... during his natural life and after the decease of the said James Burrell upon Trust to ...
 ... unto the said William Scott ...
 ... William Rogers ...
 ... to the children of John Daglish deceased ... for their maintainance and education ... now or lately were resident at Turvelaws near Wooler ...

Written 15th October 1829
mark of Mary Galloway

Wits: W Spours ; John Lindsay ; John Leel

Proved by Thomas Harrison ; George Davison the Exors

[BushInn1746]

The Will of James Burrell of Chatton Park, Northumberland, Proved 1835

 ... I James Burrell of Chatton Park in the Parish of Chatton and County of Northumberland Yeoman ...

 ... I give and bequeath unto my Brother John Burrell now living in the City of London Labourer ...
 ... I give and bequeath unto my Brother George Burrell of Chatton Yeoman ...
 ... I give and bequeath unto my Brother Robert Bell Burrell of Lowick Steads in the Parish of Lowick Yeoman ...
 ... I give and bequeath unto my Sister Ann Snowdon of Alnwick Widow ...
 ... her daughter Ann Snowdon ...
 ... Children of Mrs Elizabeth Pratt of Chatton Park House Widow of my late Master John Pratt Esquire ...
 ... my late wife's Niece Eleanor Curry Spinster now living with me as my Housekeeper her Executors administrators and assigns And I nominate and appoint the said Eleanor Curry and James Thompson of Belford Butcher and the Survivor of them joint Executor and Executrix of this my will ...
 ... I have hereto set my hand and Seal this Sixth day of June one thousand eight hundred and thirty two.     James Burrell
 ... in the presence of us who in his presence and at his request have subscribed our names as Witnesses hereto C. A. H. Richardson Alnwick & John Herriot Surgeon Belford

Proved at Durham on the 15th day of April 1835 by James Thompson and Eleanor Curry the Executors to whom Admon was granted ...



The above James Burrell of Chatton Park is related via his late Wife to Eleanor Curry Housekeeper of Chatton Park, who in turn is related to the previously named Scott of Pandon, Northumberland etc.


The Sister of James Burrell was Ann Snowdon of Alnwick, Widow.


Of course these familiar surnames, Scott, Burrell and Snowdon, come across in previous Hood of Newcastle upon Tyne research, may just all prove to be coincidental.

Mark

Seen a map and found a description of the geography of the places mentioned in relation to Doddington and to:- Chatton, Wooler and Lowick, in the Glendale Ward and added this snippet.

The death of Eleanor Curry at Chatton Park (in a previous reply) was registered in the Registration District of Glendale.