can some one find his parents , sibblings etc

[angelfish58]

There's an intriguing record for a Wilfred Smith dob 13 Dec 1895 rather than 1896, National Schools Admissions Register, Sunderland Industrial School, mother Eleanor Jane Smith. Haven't checked them out on the census yet......

[oldhippyone]

now that is interesting how can  i search this

[Girl Guide]

The original of the record shows that Wilfred had a brother so I looked for brother whose name is John William born October 1894.

The address on Wilfred's record (year is 1907) is shown as 14 Charles Street and father dead.

[oldhippyone]

that is briliant thank you very much .. how can i find more on this , how can i find eleanors husband etc and what industry was wilfred training for if it tells you

[oldhippyone]

will i be able to view this record on ancestry ?

[Girl Guide]

Right well I found a death which is probably Eleanor's husband:-

Deaths Jun 1901   
Smith    John William    32    Sunderland    10a   322

This gives a birth year of 1869 which is the same on the 1901 census

The reference for the 1901 census is RG13 Piece No. 4705 Folio 39 Page 70

I found Eleanor on the 1911 census at the same address, 14 Charles Street, with a surname of WELSH.

Perhaps others could have a look and compare the two census records.  The children listed as step son are slightly puzzling.  One appears to have been born four years after the death of John William Smith!

I cannot come up with a marriage for Eleanor to Matthew Welsh between 1901 and 1911.  The 1911 record says they have been married for 16 years!

[oldhippyone]

aw so this wilfred is not mine then as his father was frederick is that correct ?

[Girl Guide]

I don't really know.  The father of this family died in 1901 when Wilf was just five.  This Wilf has a brother called Frederick.  Could Wilf have put his brother down as father as he couldn't remember or didn't know his father's first name?

[oldhippyone]

you say wilfred had a brother called frederick ? i thought you said above he was called john william where did you find he had a brother frederick ?