girlguide and angelfish58 thank you , iv just opened this record and all it says is ellen smith 14 jan 1882 , colliery enjine driver above ground [ no mention of fireman ] married , then doris smith 9 aug 1884 married , then william h simmons 25 jul 1894 stoneman underground married , im confused how can this be my family , it dosent say ant records are closed [ there daughter ] theres no mention of wilfred and all dates of birth are way out , please help me understand