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Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« on: Sunday 14 August 16 07:44 BST (UK) »
Trawling through NLI RC Baptisms for Armagh - Arthur McDonald (McDonnell - Irish version?) - about 1831.  Unsuccessful so far, but was amazed to see Baptism of quadruplets in August 1831 - Neal, Catherine, Patrick and Francis Toner -children of Neal Toner and Sally Newell.  Quads surviving in 1831 - even just as far as baptism -  amazes me.!!!  One of the sponsors was a Mary McDonnell - as close as I will get looking for my Arthur.!!!
Serious question - My Arthur marries in Glasgow in 1855 stating place of birth is Lough Gelly Armagh - "Loughgilly" is as close as I can find - does anyone with local knowledge know if I am correct or is Lough Gelly somewhere else in Armagh? 
p.s. - anyone interested in the Toner Quads - have the original Bapt. entry if anyone wants a copy - Am I allowed to post it on here?
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 August 16 08:15 BST (UK) »
Are you sure they are quadruplets?
And not just a "bulk" baptism of 4 children?

There is no mention of Toner family on this website:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_births#Quadruplets_.284.29
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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 August 16 08:19 BST (UK) »
Hi KGarrad,

No, the parish priest has actually written on the side "Quadruplets"... Can I post the original on here, or are there copyright issues re NLI???
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 August 16 08:22 BST (UK) »
Quote from: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 08:19 BST (UK)
Hi KGarrad,

No, the parish priest has actually written on the side "Quadruplets"... Can I post the original on here, or are there copyright issues re NLI???

Fair enough! ;D
Just post the portion of the register containing the Toner baptisms, and not the whole page.
(I use the Windows Snipping Tool?!)
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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 August 16 08:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Again
Here is the original entry for the Toner Quads
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 August 16 08:56 BST (UK) »
Repeating my other question - does anyone know if "Lough Gelly Armagh" is the same as parish of "Loughgilly Armagh"????
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 August 16 09:20 BST (UK) »
Apparently, you're not the first person to find this?! ;D

http://www.ottawavalleyirish.com/tag/toner
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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 August 16 09:50 BST (UK) »
Maggbill,  I would say yes that Lough Gelly would probably be Loughgilly Parish, as written by someone unused to the accent.
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Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 August 16 10:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you RosemaryJoan
That is what I was thinking - it is amazing how names of people and places vary when apart from the Irish accent, the individuals most likely couldnt' read, write or spell - and the "listener" was maybe a bit more educated, but not always accepting of the "Irish" invasion - so did a Scottish variation!  Thanks for your input
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McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.
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