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Re: Joseph Hulbert (c. 1793-1878) Huguenot or not?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 15 August 16 10:41 BST (UK) »
The Joseph Hulbert who married in 1778 does though seem likely to be the one who remarried in Stepney St Dunstan in 1804, the signature is very, very similar, albeit I cannot so far find a burial for his wife Elizabeth.  However, from my own experience of researching that period in London, there are quite a lot of missing burial entries (even when checking the original microfilm copies and not relying on online original records).  I agree you would have expected them to have had a Joseph and Elizabeth earlier but there is a large gap and there may be a reason for that.  One of my own direct ancestors married in Jan 1805, had their first child born in Jan 1806 but then no others until a daughter born in 1815 (so far no baptism found, but other documentary evidence does suggest she is theirs).  They then baptised seven children between 1817 and 1827.  I did wonder if it was the same couple, but it turns out that the husband, although a silk dyer by profession, joined the navy in 1806 just as his first child was born, and didn't leave until 1815.  That was why there was such a gap in children.  Two of their later children attended the Greenwich Hospital School which confirmed they were the same couple.  So a gap doesn't necessarily mean they cannot be the same couple, they could just have lost a number of children at birth.

In the case of Joseph and Elizabeth Hulbert, to be honest I think its more likely, in light of the 1804 marriage, that the 1778 marriage could well be them, as opposed to the Datchet Joseph Hulbert.  I think tassiedevil needs to get a Bucks FHS search done on Hulbert for that period to see if they are in the county and stay there.  Its possible although one child was born in London, they could have returned.  It did happen to one of my ancestors, three born in London (two in the same Lying-in Hospital) and then the husband got himself convicted of theft and sentenced to 3 years hard labour and a number of month's later the wife and two surviving children were sent back to Devizes because they couldn't look after themselves.  They did later return to London.

I am not convinced from what I've seen that Joseph Hulbert (or for that matter Elizabeth Nash if the marriage is correct0 are of Huguenot descent, I really would have expected it to have been mentioned in the two Huguenot Hospital admission records.  Added to that is the fact that there do appear to be a lot of Hulberts about and Nash isn't that uncommon a surname either.
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day

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Re: Joseph Hulbert (c. 1793-1878)
« Reply #19 on: Monday 15 August 16 10:43 BST (UK) »
There's a George Hulbert bap. 1794 and Elizabeth 1797 both baptised St.Leonards, Shoreditch

There is an Elizabeth Hulbert burial aged 2 years 9 months in the Gibralter Row Burial Ground at Bethnal Green (non-denominational cemetery).  Its possible that could be Elizabeth as I couldn't see a marriage for her, but it could of course be another Elizabeth.
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Re: Joseph Hulbert (c. 1793-1878) Huguenot or not?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 15 August 16 11:29 BST (UK) »
If Joseph remarried in 1804, then Elizabeth must have died between 1800 - 1804

I know a lot of burial records are missing, but putting in these dates on FindMyPast fetches up only two options:  Elizabeth Hulbert Parker dd.1803 in Westminster and Elizabeth Hulbert died 1803 in Datchet!

I thought we'd dismissed this one, but it's still there.

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Re: Joseph Hulbert (c. 1793-1878) Huguenot or not?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 15 August 16 12:48 BST (UK) »
I know a lot of burial records are missing, but putting in these dates on FindMyPast fetches up only two options:  Elizabeth Hulbert Parker dd.1803 in Westminster and Elizabeth Hulbert died 1803 in Datchet!

Findmypast only have Westminster and (probably, as I know some are not on there) London non-denominational / non-conformist burials.  Most, as I suspect you are aware, for London are on Ancestry.

While the 1803 Datchet burial is interesting, as I have already posted, TD needs to get a county-wide search done for Buckinghamshire to see if it can help confirm or refute a possible Datchet connection.  Its not that expensive.

FindMyPast coverage for Buckinghamshire isn't likely to be complete (the Family History Society do not as far as I am aware have any parish record transcripts on there), nor will anything on Familysearch be complete.

Hulbert appears to be quite a common name and Joseph and Elizabeth are not unusual.  The 1804 marriage states "of this parish" and yes I know that only refers to the preceding three weeks for banns, I suspect the 1803 burial could just be a coincidence. 

Caution definitely needs to be taken in relation to the Datchet and Shoreditch/Stepney possible connection.  While it is possible, there could well be other answers as to why there could be a gap in baptisms if indeed the 1778 marriage is correct.  At least a search on Bucks FHS Baptisms/Marriages/Burial transcripts may shed light on whether the "London" couple could have a connection with Buckinghamshire.
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day