Dead End - Any Help?

[familyroutes]

Could you try proving that he wasn't born on 15.5.1895.

You could try the GRO and explain your problem

The General Register Office can be contacted as follows:

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[aghadowey]

I remember back in the early 1980s talking to researchers in Dublin whose clients needed to prove Irish citizenship through a grandparents in order to leave some African countries like Rhodesia. It wasn't always easy for them to find the correct certificates based on family details.

Could you post the details you know about Margaret Ussher- census links, etc. as I still want to try something.

[Sinann]

That's part of the problem Aghadowney, they haven't been found in the census.

I don't know if it's possible to access the records but did John get an OAP in the UK?

[GerryLS]

I'm not sure what I would say to the GRO, I have GRO records that say he was born in 1895. He may have been wrong about his DOB but how can I prove it. I can't find any info on him before 1930 and his son knew of no family in Scotland. I don't know when or how he came there even.

Margaret Usher (the name changes between Usher and Ussher on various records but is Usher on her BC and Ussher on her marriage certificate) born 05-Jun-1854 Kilsheenan, Waterford. Father James Usher, mother Catherine Dee.

Married Edmond Tobin blacksmith 27-Nov-1883 Clonmel.

Edmond Tobin died 28-Apr-1895 Tipperary.

We can't find Margaret or any of her children for sure on the 1901/1911 census but we have found possibles with the children sent to relatives or out as servants or boarders. And there is a Margaret Tobin of the right age who is a servant for a priest on both census.

Margaret Tobin listed as a widow, with father James Ussher, married James X Corbet 13-Sep-1921, Tipperary.

I can't find a death certificate for Margaret Corbet but the Rootsireland records don't go much past 1920.

OAP - what's that, Old Age Pension? He died in work at 1947 at the age of 52, so I doubt it. I can't even find a war pension for him or his wife Emily Curran Tobin.

[familyroutes]

Did you notice when you were looking at the children of Edmond Tobin that there were 2 Mary Tobin  registered within a week of each other with parents Edmond Tobin and Margaret Usher...one in Tipperary and one in Waterford.

The sponsor in Tipp was the grandmother Kate Usher...while in Waterford the sponsor was Michael Meagher ... pronounce Maher

[GerryLS]

yes, one's a baptism record and one's a civil registration. Maher/Maegher is a pretty popular name in Tipperary, I'm led to believe, and I'm not sure if it's a relative or a friend. 

[heywood]

With regard to the EU and Irish citizenship ( a member of my extended family is wanting the same), I would think that you are going to have to work with the evidence you have - which is Tobin/Dwyer.
Even if you found the Tobin/Usher family, it would not help your cause - would it?

[GerryLS]

That's what I was thinking unless I could find something that connects the two names like a later marriage.

[dathai]

you can get Margaret Corbett deaths here up to 1958
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

and some Wills here in either name but how will you know if you have right one
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http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/