Alexander ALLAN and family

[Mustang Sally]

Correct spelling is "Allan".
Although I have found records under "Allen".
Ellen's marriage cert shows "Allan"
Family had lived in Galston Ayrshire Scotland , which is noted for mining.
Alexander and Mary Allan were both 23 at the time of travel aboard "Helenslee".
Ellen was actually Helen on her birth certificate!
Ellen named one of her sons "Robert Allan" ... I presume this follows the Scottish tradition of giving children a historical surname as a middle name.
I've made a list of possible offspring in NZ but am only certain about one - Jeanett born 1866, died 1939 and buried at Papakura.

[spades]

Hi,

If you search NZBDM you'll see two children (born 1876 and 1878) to Alexander and Ellen ALLEN, but try other surname spellings as well.
https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/

Spades

[Mustang Sally]

Thanks Spades.

I have about 12 names from 1865-1878 with parents Alexander and Mary Allan from  NZBDM.
I think I may need to obtain Mary's 1880 death cert to confirm details of living children at that date.
That will also clarify my suspicions re her parentage and their whereabouts / possible burial site. I suspect that baby Alexander who came from Scotland died young as I can find no mention of him and there are a couple of additional births with that name in 1865 and 1869.
Also James Corbett Allan born 1872 is likely as Corbett was Mary's maiden name.

[minniehaha]

Possible children born in New Zealand.....

1869/16965   Allan    Alexander*   Mary    Alexander   -   

1866/11406   Allan    Jeannett   Mary    Alexander   -   

1872/16908   Allan    James Corbett   Mary Alexander   -   

1868/15686   Allan    Mary    Mary    Alexander      


1867/27069   Allan    Adelaide Mary    Mary    Alexander


1875/12843   Allan    Agnes   Mary    Alexander

*I think there was an Alexander who came to New Zealand with his parents in 1864?


Minniehaha.

[Mustang Sally]

Thanks Minniehaha.

Some other possibilities were;
Mary Corbett Allen b 1874 d 1874 aged 2 m
Annie Jane Allan /Allen b 1877 d 1878 aged 1y
Janet Margaret Allen b 1869

I have ordered Mary Allan's 1880 death cert and Alexander Allan's 1881 marriage cert so will keep you updated.

[Janette]

Hi,

For future reference it pays to purchase "printouts" they often have more information,are no prone to transcription errors and as a bonus they are cheaper

Cheers Janette

[Mustang Sally]

Hi Janette,

Thank you for the advice.

I said "certs" but it was actually the cheaper "printouts" that I requested.

I found that even the "printouts" can be difficult to decipher so I am hoping that Alexander Allan's marriage "printout" will give his mother's maiden name as I could not decipher it on his death "printout".

Mustang Sally

[Rosinish]

I found that even the "printouts" can be difficult to decipher so I am hoping that Alexander Allan's marriage "printout" will give his mother's maiden name as I could not decipher it on his death "printout".

Maybe if you post an image we can help to decipher?

Take no notice of variants of spellings....all too often people are fixated on a certain spelling which can cause them to lose out on important info. which they readily dismiss.

I have a family name with something like 8+ variants & had I dismissed them I would not be where I am today with my research.

I have to say though, it has been expensive as I've bought so many wrong certs. to find them, knowing they existed on census records but what the spelling was on BMD's was a different story 

Annie


ADDED.....As it happens, I'm descended from the surname of Allen/Allan (Scotland) which differs too!

[Mustang Sally]

Hi Rosinish

Attached is a copy of the death print out as suggested.

I can decipher most of it apart from Mother's maiden name and father's rank/profession

Mother's maiden name seems to start "Sha????fool"

Any thoughts would be appreciated otherwise I shall be patient and hope that the marriage printout gives me the information that I am seeking.

I know that Alexander lived in Galston Ayrshire before emigrating and was a Quarrier and Miner.

I believe the offer of land was too great to pass up.

The family began their time in NZ in Pokeno (Queen's Redoubt).
They arrived following the Maori Wars, so their start in NZ was pretty tough.

Mustang Sally