Any suggestions on how to trace this arrest/commital?

[Emma Hughes]

Thanks everybody. It s a puzzle I've made no headway with.

Yes this is Emily,

ADDED:
Births Dec 1879   
Kingwell    Emily        Caistor    7a   678


And this is James,
James Hodgson
Mar qtr 1881 Kendal Westmorland
Volume   10b Page    696

I don't think he did actually stab her, just threatened her. I think he must have gone somewhere otherwise Nana wouldn't have sent the postal order every week for years. Whatever happened it caused a rift because John (other brother) never spoke to his sister in law (Emily) again, which was difficult as she still visited her sister for a while (Johns wife) but had to come when he was out of the house. Emily and James children didnt know what happened to their father, or at least some of them didnt as years later during a row it all came out, many year ago before I was born. The 1935 to 1955 time scale is from Nana although I can narrow it down further, she was evacuated 1939 and leave until 1945 so it was during this time, or maybe a bit before.

[Ruskie]

It makes me wonder if Emily kicked him out, and the story was invented to make her appear to be the inncoent party. How long after James left did she take up with the other chap?

[Katharine75]

Don't shoot me people, as I am not pretending to be an expert, but just throwing in a few suggestions  ......

Did the wife have any children with the new partner? Not sure if looking into that might help you find more info. I don't have much experience with BDM records for UK, but if you can find a birth registration for a child, it may indicate what the new partner's name was, to help you find her death certificate (I am working on the assumption that birth registrations that late would have mothers maiden name).

Does England have police gazettes, like the Australian records? They recorded all manner of things police related, including arrests, missing persons, crimes etc.

[josey]

Don't shoot me people, as I am not pretending to be an expert, but just throwing in a few suggestions  ......

All suggestions welcome, as is lateral thinking  . MMN is on English/Welsh GRO references for births after 1911.

Emily would have been a bit too old for children with the new partner if whatever caused the separation happened around 1935.

I have heard of Police Gazettes but do not know if there are online.

[Emma Hughes]

Funnily enough I did find a police gazette for this mans uncle, haha what a family. But no trace for James unfortunately.

She didnt have any more children but that is an excellent suggestion. One thing I enjoy about tracing family history is adding information bit by bit and then what you are looking for pops up as if by magic.

Perhaps she did kick him out, perhaps he had more children who knows. I eagerly await the 1921 census in 2022. I will look for the children and see if old Dad or mum and new partner pops up.

[josey]

I eagerly await the 1921 census in 2022.

I think many of us think a mystery or two will be solved then....

There are several J or James Hodgsons born ca 1880 on ships lists ca 1930.

[Emma Hughes]

I hadnt even considered ships. Im ordering his birth certificate now for the actual date of birth. Its addictive

[Ruskie]

Emma, how did you narrow down the correct birth certificate for James? I just had a quick look on Freebmd and there are a few of them ....

Forget that, I was looking in Cumbria ...

I note that the only James Hodgson born in 1881 is the one you have found ... however, there are rather a lot of them born in other years. Where did you get his birth year of 1881 from?

[Ruskie]

The 1881 census was taken on the 3rd of April, so if the James b 1881 Kendal was registered in the March quarter of 1881 then he should appear on the 1881 census.

I can't see anyone by the name of James Ho*son born in Kendal, Westmoreland or even Cumbria in 1881.

Where did you get the information that he was born in Kendal?