Two people in the same area????

[hunterterri58]

OH so confusing

So youngest child was born in 1826 so she would then have been 44 when she had her.  First child born 1811 that is why I am thinking it would be marriage around 1811.

So is Christchurch near Holborn, where they lived as a family?  Are we now saying that they did marry, but she was originally married to someone Morgan?

On 1841 census she does say that she is from that county.

Are we also thinking that the Charles born to Charles and Elizabeth is my Charles?
I am getting a little confused, but so excited.  Thanks so much for all your help here.

Teresa

[rosie99]

See my reply 13
She was christened Martha Ward Morgan in 1781 

[Rosinish]

25 May 1808 Christchurch
witnesses  J  KNIGHT,  Elizabeth REEVE

and of interest for witnesses names......29 May 1808 (same church)
witnesses  J KNIGHT   John REEVE

I find this repetition is very common.  At this time many people were unable to sign, and these witnesses may have been junior clergy, or perhaps churchwardens or similar.

Thanks to both wivenhoe & Andrew.....

As an aside, I have come across same witnesses on several docs. in same area & always wondered what the relevance was.....now I know...Thanks to you both 

Annie

[StevieSteve]

OH so confusing

So is Christchurch near Holborn, where they lived as a family? 

Teresa

From http://maps.familysearch.org/#search  (Type in Christchurch in the search field)


Christ Church, Newgate Street with St Leonard, Foster Lane is an Ecclesiastical Parish in the county of London, created in 1670 from Christ Church, Newgate Street Ancient Parish and St Leonard Foster Lane Ancient Parish.

Holborn St Andrew is 2 parishes to the west if you look on their map (New) Fetter Lane is about 10-15 minutes walk away from Newgate Street

[hunterterri58]

OH so confusing

So is Christchurch near Holborn, where they lived as a family? 

Teresa

Thanks stevie for your information on where Christchurch is in relation to Holborn.

From http://maps.familysearch.org/#search  (Type in Christchurch in the search field)


Christ Church, Newgate Street with St Leonard, Foster Lane is an Ecclesiastical Parish in the county of London, created in 1670 from Christ Church, Newgate Street Ancient Parish and St Leonard Foster Lane Ancient Parish.

Holborn St Andrew is 2 parishes to the west if you look on their map (New) Fetter Lane is about 10-15 minutes walk away from Newgate Street

Thanks for this.  That is such a great help. 

[hunterterri58]

As she's using her maiden name as a middle name (effectively a double-barrelled name) indicates they weren't married.
The last child was born c.1827 which would make the Martha born 1777 around 50 so not her.

The thing about this 1841 entry is that the children with her are correct so it must be her.  She is Martha Watson on this census.  More puzzling! 

[hunterterri58]

Does this mean Christchurch, Dorset, or somewhere else?  I ask because on Find My Past, they seem to have a transcription of the lightermen binding records, and there is one for a Charles Watson (bound date 1784, if that is any indication of age) from Christchurch.

There are other Charles Watsons in this register, but this one leapt out because of the Christchurch connection.  As StevieSteve details, the records at the Guildhall Library should provide more clarity.

I think Christchurch in London, it comes up on London marriages on Ancestry.
There are two records for Charles Watson with the same binding date in 1784, one says reassignment. One is to master also called Charles Watson and one to a different master. This would imply that the first master had possibly died part way through the apprenticeship. The 1770 baptism mentioned earlier was to parent Charles and Elizabeth Watson. There are several other children bapt to same couple in Holborn, but doesn't give Charles snr's occupation on any records.

Hello and thank you for this information.  I found the Charles and Elizabeth children and did wonder if this was my Charles family.  They are in holborn though and if the general thought is they were married in Christchurch, but lived in Fetter Lane, Holborn when married and he came from there, would that make sense???
Do you think that Charles was apprenticed maybe to his father?  I did also hope to find his fathers occupation but could not trace it.

so great to have people to run this all by.  I end up so confused on my own. 

[hunterterri58]

The marriage was Christ Church Newgate Street .

  I cheated and looked for the vicar who married them.

Maureen

How do you do that and how would that help when researching someone please?  Always looking for new ways to research. 

[hunterterri58]

Martha's age suggests the possibility of an earlier family...?

25 May 1808 Christchurch
Martha Ward MORGAN  of this Parish, spinster
Charles WATSON  of this Parish bachelor
witnesses  J  KNIGHT,  Elizabeth REEVE

Baptism for a Martha Ward Morgan - St Clement Danes, Middlesex 1 Nov 1781 parents Thomas & Martha

Thanks for that.  Is St Clemet Danes, Middlesex anywhere near Holborn, Christchurch area?  This is what I find hard.  It is not easy to see where these places were in those days.  I cant seem to make the family search link work at the moment.

Thanks