Swansea Wales Archives electoral rolls look up Please

[Maria Goretti]

Hi, is there anyone on here who goes to Swansea archives? I am looking to find electoral rolls for Francis Farley & his wife Mary Gertrude Farley, she was also knows as "Pat" From 1940 to 1952.
It is almost certain that they where there in 1946 so that would be the best year to start with.
 As I live abroad I can't go myself and I can't find them online anywhere.
Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help out, greatly appreciated,
Kindest regards,

Maria

[rosie99]

Electoral registers are normally searchable by address only unless they have been digitised

[dawnsh]

Hi Maria

The British Library has registers starting 1947 to date, they weren't compiled 1939-1946 because of the war.

As Rosie mentions though, you will need an address to then be able to work out which constituency, East or West, and then the ward.

What are you trying to establish?

[Girl Guide]

You might like to consider contacting Swansea Library and ask them if they have any telephone directories that cover 1946 or years around that.

http://www.swansea.gov.uk/askalibrarian

This supposes that the Farleys were on the telephone!  If they weren't then this won't help.  Have you got anything that may contain an address for them, old letters, postcards?

[Maria Goretti]

 Hello & thank you very much for replying to my request.

I am trying to establish what Francis Farley was my aunt Mary Gertrude Clark's husband, and when he died so I can get the death certificate.

The only information I have is their RC church marriage record which states that they were married in Oxton, Birkenhead, Cheshire on the 2 Dec. 1939 and his parents were Thomas Farley & Mary Ann
(No mother's surname).

According to an elderly cousin "They were in Swansea in south Wales in 1946. I do not remember their address, though it was near the railway line down to the shore and I remember coal wagons going by. One day we went to Mumbles, in the Gower Peninsula, where I collected shells on the sandy beach".

Would this information be enough to be able to pin point in what area they lived?

The same cousin states that Francis died in the early 1950s perhaps in Ormskirk, Lancashire because he visited at least Mary Gertrude in this town in the early 1950s, he cant' remember if her husband was still alive. In a search on free bmd from 1945-1955, there are 5 Francis Farley, one at Ormskirk, Lancashire Sep. Q 1953 age 64, which I think would be the best match, however I can't find a Francis Farley born abt. 1888, 1899 son of a Thomas & Mary Ann. The only Thomas & Mary Ann Farley I found on the 1911 census are in Derby and they had only one living child Alice born abt. 1893. She is on the 1901 census.
 I think if we could find Francis on the electoral rolls it might get me somewhere.

Sorry for the long rigmarole, any help at all would be greatly appreciated,
Maria

[Girl Guide]

If you have the church marriage record does it not say what their ages are?  Occupation of Thomas?   Who are the witnesses?

You seem to have the exact date of the marriage so this presumes that you either have the marriage certificate or you were given this information?

How do you know that Francis' mother is called Mary Ann?

[Maria Goretti]

Yes, I have their RC church record from family search but it doesn't give their ages
here it is

Franciscum Farly
England, Cheshire Non-conformist Records
Name   Franciscum Farly
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   02 Dec 1939
Event Place   Oxton, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Gender   Male
Father's Name   Thomae

Mother's Name   Mariae Annae

Spouse's Name   Mariam Gertrudem Clarke


CITING THIS RECORD
"England, Cheshire Non-conformist Records, 1671-1900," database,
FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFLY-GLP :
accessed 13 August 2015), Franciscum Farly and Mariam Gertrudem Clarke,
 02 Dec 1939; citing item4, Oxton, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester;
FHL microfilm 2,149,220.
•   
 No image available
ENGLAND, CHESHIRE NON-CONFORMIST RECORDS, 1671-1900
GS Film number   2149220

Digital Folder Number   004019278

Image Number   00211

[Maria Goretti]

Sorry I forgot to copy Mary Gertrude Clark'd father is Georgii Goodger Clarke on record.
The surname should be Clark without an "E"
Mary Gertrude Clark is on the 1939 electoral rolls in Birmingham in 1939, that is where she was born in 1904

Many thanks for your help & interest

[Girl Guide]

Oh I see, latinisation as it were of their names and not the full marriage certificate details.

Hhmm, depends on whether you wish to spend money on obtaining the marriage cert. from the GRO.   Certs cost £9.25 each.

Marriages Dec 1939
Clark    Mary G    Farley    Birkenhead    8a   2033
Farley    Francis    Clark    Birkenhead    8a   2033

The GRO cert will give you the ages and occupations of the bride and groom and occupations of the fathers as well as witnesses names. 

The info on the marriage cert may help you to find Francis on the 1939 register.  Be aware that he may have been known as Frank.

Are you in the UK or abroad?  I can't see anything on the GRO website that indicates if it costs more to order from abroad or the same as ordering in the UK.  The only way to find out would be to ask them.

At least you already know when Mary was born so Francis may have been born around the same sort of time.  He could be a good bit older or even younger, without the cert you won't know.

If he is just Francis then between 1894 and 1919 there are just five registered, two before Mary's birth year and three after.  The before are 1900 West Derby, 1901 Leeds and the after are 1908 Lambeth, 1911 West Derby and 1918 Upton.

You may like to explore census records to see if any of these have a father named Thomas.

Anyway I have given you a bit of info to think about and decide whether to wish to follow any of it up.

Good Luck.