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What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« on: Friday 29 July 16 08:00 BST (UK) »
 Mary SMITH married William GARDINER 20th July chch 1887 she was 29 Her father was James Smith, mother Margaret nee RYAN.He then marriedEmma Harriet Rowsell 28 July 1906 What happened to Mary? thanks lnr

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 July 16 08:32 BST (UK) »
This looks like her children

1894/7524              Gardiner    Winifred Ellen    Mary   William   
1895/8846              Gardiner    Alfred Henry    Mary   William   
1897/16335      Gardiner    Elsie              Mary   William   
1898/6373              Gardiner    Doris Evelyn    Mary   William   
1900/6741              Gardiner William Archibald    Mary   William

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 July 16 11:46 BST (UK) »
When William remarried, was he a widower or divorced?

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 July 16 03:06 BST (UK) »
on his marriage cert he said he was a widower which he was from his first wife but then it was stated he hadnt seen his wife meaning Mary for 14 years.so if my calculations are right they were only together four years.thanks lnr

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 July 16 03:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Lnr,

From my experience, marriage certificates often provided the date an individual had become a widow/er (i.e. providing proof that they were not committing bigamy).

1906 minus 14 equals 1892. So if that statement is true do those five children found by Janette belong to your William and Mary?

Do you know whether they did have children, if so, their names and dates/places of birth?

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 July 16 03:52 BST (UK) »
Do you have William's death printout? This should provide the age of any living children........


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 July 16 04:01 BST (UK) »
no i dont know if they had any childrenmary was 29 at the marriage date and william42. she was born Liverpool and a spinster..on his death cert 1910 it has only from his first marriage children 4 males and 4 females. thanks lnr

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 July 16 04:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Lnr,

Can I ask, do you have a transcription of the death certificate or a copy of the original document (i.e. what NZ BDM call a 'printout')?

The former should provide the sex and ages of surviving issue.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: What happened to Mary Gardiner(nee SMITH)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 July 16 04:51 BST (UK) »
Hi lnr

The birth registrations given in Reply # 1 for GARDINER - children of "Mary and William" - seem unlikely to be for the couple who married in Christchurch.    With the exception of the child "Elsie", all were registered in Auckland.    ???

[The names of the children of William GARDINER - d. 1910 -  are given in his Will (dated 1909) :
You can find this at the familysearch.org website.     You'll know to search under the name of HUMPHRIES for this  ;) ]

Link to NZ Probate files >

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481

   ~   Lu

 PS  Have some further info for William and Emma Harriett ... to follow >



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