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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #27 on: Friday 22 July 16 19:03 BST (UK) »
The British army was in Germany as part of the post war force of occupation but not during.
There wasn't a Prussian front.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #28 on: Friday 22 July 16 20:07 BST (UK) »
Please see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/236th_Brigade_(United_Kingdom)#Order_of_Battle.  The ORBAT includes 6th and 13th Bns Green Howards (Yorkshire) which is pretty likely to be what is referred to here.
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #29 on: Friday 22 July 16 20:46 BST (UK) »
I agree the "Russian Front" referred to is the action there as part of the International Force.
It would make sense if he was still in the 6th. when that happened & transferred to the 1st. after the 6th. broke up on return.
The "Royal Expeditionary Force" may refer to this or is meant to be the BEF.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 23 July 16 00:28 BST (UK) »
The British army was in Germany as part of the post war force of occupation but not during.
There wasn't a Prussian front.

Hi - I know nothing about WWI except I know my grandfather always said he fought "The Huns". (I've found a piece on this link which shows the origins of the term http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/hun.htm  ).

Having researched a branch of my family who lived on mainland Europe during the 19th century when there were several power struggles, one of which was instigated by Bismarck, I just want to clarify what I meant by "Prussia".   History shows that we fought Germany, but to be pedantic, we fought the German Empire, a large part of it was made up of "The Kingdom of Prussia". 

Uploaded from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prussiamap.gif
 is a map entitled "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Prussia (green) within the German Empire (1871–1918)"    This shows how many original self governing principalities and states eventually came under Prussian rule.

Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke


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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 23 July 16 01:31 BST (UK) »
If Jacqueline, knows who had this mans medals his service number will be inscribed on the rim, lots of people do not even realise that they are there
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 23 July 16 10:50 BST (UK) »
Should it be of interest, his younger brother, Herbert Harold Robbins, joined the Tank Corps in 1919.  His mother wrote and asked that he be discharged.  The army refused as he was over 17 when he joined up (if a man was serving in a technical corps that was the age rule).  He was however discharged in 1920 with defective eyesight, later joining the West Yorks Territorials, attending annual camps in 1923 to 1927 and later still transferring to the Royal Field Artillery Territorials. His records are on Ancestry.

The letter from his mother has another minor clue to his brother.  It is dated 13 Jun 1919 and states that the brother is in Russia.  She also states that he (the brother) has been in the army for 2 years 6 months.  That may solve the mystery of another document not mentioned so far found on FindMyPast which is the attestation record of Arthur Nelson Robbins at Bradford on 13 Feb 1917 (about right) although, to make that even more frustrating, that record says he was transferred to the Royal Flying Corps.  No subsequent RFC or RAF record has been found (yet!).  There is where he lied about his age, stating he was 18 years and 33 days old!  However, his birth was registered in Q2 1900 (his mother confirms he was 19 in 1919) so he was actually 16 and a bit when he joined up.  She also says that she is "on her own" - one wonders whether the father, also Arthur Nelson Robbins, was in the army still at that date?  He was about 45 at war's end, not impossible.

However (again), despite the tantalising clues, there can be no real progress without a service record.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 23 July 16 11:19 BST (UK) »
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attestation record of Arthur Nelson Robbins at Bradford on 13 Feb 1917
The man in the photo has the 14/15 Star.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 23 July 16 13:34 BST (UK) »
Yes he does and an MM for which no record is yet found??

As we've found earlier, it is the 10452 Arthur Robbins East Yorks 6th and 1st, Balkans 14 Jul 1915 (6th Bn Suvla Bay Aug 1915 via Mudros) who has the full set.  The 57162 10 West Yorks then 30266 1st East Yorks Arthur N Robbins who has only BW and V medals but still serving May 1920.  The blank card for 4334618 AN Robbins with note about Russian decoration and new 1920 number - who knows. 

So father/son??  Son wearing father's medals??   Vice-versa?? Other explanation??

Can't be solved without applying for the (fill in the rest of the sentence yourselves!).

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: help please on where I can find my Grandfathers ww1 Record
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 23 July 16 15:09 BST (UK) »
Come in Jackie563
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/