Helen Forster or Lockhart born c1853 in Manchester

[bigt]

So, Winifred and Robert Lockhart are either full brother and sister or half brother and sister.

Regarding Winifred's children, I couldn't find the birth of a Roy Murray, born c1905, but did find a Roy Lockhart, born April 1905 at Salford.

I found a marriage in 1931 at Sheffield where a Roy Murray married a Nettie Hemsworth.  States Roy's father was a Roy Murray (dec).

Tom

[CaroleW]

I suspect Robert Lockhart & Winifred Forster were living as man & wife and that Robert was the father of the 2 children shown in 1911.  There is no marriage for a Robert Murray to a Winifred Forster

[bigt]

Got Roy's birth and baptism at Higher Broughton, Manchester in 1905.  Parents are Robert Lockhart and Winifred Forster.

Tom

[Mabel Bagshawe]

wonder if this is Helen in 1871, in Whitchurch, Shropshire

George Leech    27 - b Whitchurch
Catherine Leech    31 - b Scotland
Thomas Leech    5
Elizabeth Leech    3
Edward Edmonds    68 - lodger
Ellen Forster    17 - visitor, b Manchester. Seamstress

RG10, 2797, 9, 15

[Mabel Bagshawe]

George Leech,    22, shoemaker of 20 mackworth St, Hulme. Father Thomas Leech, foreman
Catherine Fo[r]ster  22 of 20 Paschett [??] St, Hulme. father Robert Forster, joiner
Marriage    10 Mar 1863,    Manchester, St John

There's a Catherine Forster b c1841 lodging in Manchester in 1861. Her pob is Scotland but it's been annotated on Ancestry as Langholme nr Carlisle

This is 1851, - Langholm, Dumfriesshire

Robert Forster    34 -joiner
Bettie Forster    33
William Forster    15
Cathrine Forster    11
George Forster    9
Mary Forster    6
Eleanor Forster    3
Phillius Forster    10 Mo

this takes us back to the Ellenor Forster you found in Manchester in 1861 - presumably their second daughter of that name



I'm slightly confused by the Robert and Winifred story - I thought they were possibly brother and sister, but appear to have a child? Have I confused something somewhere?

[bigt]

Hi Mabel,

Yes, it is her.  I believe Helen is actually Ellenor Forster, born c1854 at Manchester, daughter of Robert Forster born c1817, Dumfries, Scotland, and wife Elizabeth.  In 1861, Robert and family are in Manchester.  Catherine Leech is Helen's sister.  At present, still trying to trace Helen's death.

Tom

[CaroleW]

Robert Lockhart & Winifred Forster shared the same mother but I very much doubt that Henry Myers Lockhart was Winifred's father.

The surname Murray was probably a "smokescreen" as a half brother and sister living as man and wife and having children was classed as incest and is still illegal today

[bigt]

To me it looks like half brother and sister have got together, perhaps not knowing they are related.

In 1881, Winifred Lockhart, 8, Niece, born Milnethorpe, is residing with George and Catherine Leech, in Salford.

In 1901, Robert Lockhart, nephew, 24, is residing with Catherine Leech.  Both Winifred and Robert have a mother by the name of Helen Forster.

Common link to me is Catherine, both their aunt.

Tom

[Halifax]

Hello Tom,

My name is Lynne and I am writing for my friend Enid nee Leech .  She has been doing the family history on her Leech/Forster tree for 25 years.  In Langolm  and Salford and Whitchurch and Manchester. 
Her GGM was Catherine Irvine Forster married to George Leech and  they had the Hotel in Manchester/Salford.

She would like to be in touch with you but unfortunately hasn`t access to the Internet.  I would pass on a message to her or you could perhaps phone her??

Let me know,

All good wishes Lynne.