James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool

[trish1120]

1841 Census
Lang St, Everton Valley,
Walton On The Hill, Lancashire
HO107/519/3/Walton On The Hill
Elizabeth Gordon, 50, Independant
James Gordon, 30
Jane Gordon, 25
All born in County

[ScouseBoy]

The correct name for the Gordon residence in the late 19th century and early 20th century appears to be "Kenmure House" not Kenmore.

     Probably  an  expensive detached  house  in a very posh area  near to the beach and overlooking the Irish Sea.

[BumbleB]

James Edgar Gordon -

1871 with his aunt Jane, aged 16

1881 - James E Gordon, 26, Hide Broker, visitor to Helen Nicholson

1891 - James Edgar Gordon - 36, Commission Man and Broker with wife Mary, 36, Mary E aged 6, James E aged 4, Lilian E aged 3 and Stanley E aged 1.

All Hallows, Allerton - 21 June 1883
James Edgar Gordon, full age, bachelor, Broker of Allerton.  Father:  James = Gentleman
Mary Nicholson - full age, spinster, Broker (ditto marks used) of Wavertree.  Father:  Benjamin, Ship Owner.

[lancsann]

1828 (Liverpool Mercury)
James Gordon Manchester manufacturer  bankrupt

?? 7 Jun 1833 Manchester Times
Death of James Gordon for many years respected merchant of this town

[BumbleB]

Wills and Probate:

James Gordon of Kenmure House, Blundellsands, gentleman, died 16 November 1894.  Probate to James Edgar Gordon and John Houghton Gordon, general brokers.  Effects: £186091.3s.10d.  Resworn April 1895 £185032.12s.4d.

James Edgar Gordon of the Manor, Great Sutton, Cheshire died 30 August 1938.  Probate to Harold Gemmell Alexander and James Edgar and Stanley Edgar Gordon, general brokers.  Effects:  £229815.13s.10d.

Added:

Is this John Houghton Gordon?

John Houghton Gordon of Beaconstone, Beacon Road, Crowboro9ugh, Sussex, died 28 April 1945.  Probate 27 June to Jean Kenmure Gordon, spinster and Angus Kenmure Gordon of no occupation.  £73131.4s

[stanmapstone]

The correct name for the Gordon residence in the late 19th century and early 20th century appears to be "Kenmure House" not Kenmore.

     Probably  an  expensive detached  house  in a very posh area  near to the beach and overlooking the Irish Sea.

You can see Kenmure House on this 1893 map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/330497/399347/12/101394
Also http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=17&lat=53.4861&lon=-3.0472&layers=171&right=BingHyb
Stan

[William Gordon]

Many thanks for all the help so far, all the replies have been very useful and I am hugely appreciative.

It looks like the new ancestral generation that has been uncovered will probably be the focus for me now - that is, my original James Gordon's father, also called James Gordon, together with his wife Elizabeth Houghton. The prevalence of the 'Edgar' surname in his descendants, together with the constant recurrence of the first name James, makes me suspect that I may find the next generation up is another James Gordon who perhaps married a woman with the surname Edgar.

I am hoping to find a connection eventually with the family of Gordon of Lochinvar, holders of the Viscountcy of Kenmure in Dumfries and Galloway at some point in the ancestry, as hinted at by the use of 'Kenmure'  in the Liverpool house name and middle names of a couple of the children. What set off this part of my research was a coat of arms registered for an Angus Kenmure Gordon on 16th February 1971. What is a bit confusing is that the Angus Kenmure Gordon we have found in this tree (son of the John Houghton Gordon who d. 1945) died in 1963, seemingly eight years before these arms were registered. I wondered if he may have had a similarly named son, but have so far found none.

[alpinecottage]

I'm sure that someone on Rootschat will be able to comment about the registering of the arms - in fact there is a specific section on here about arms, crests, heraldry etc. here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/heraldry/

I do hope you find a link to the Scottish Gordons, but you do need to be aware that a lot of "nouveau riche" in the newly emerging middle class in Victorian times tried to create a lineage linking themselves to nobility.  So it could equally be that a man named Gordon named his house Kenmure to suggest links to the Scottish viscounts. 

I hope your family is the genuine article, but if not, it makes for an interesting and amusing story.  I think I'd be satisfied with either outcome 

[bigt]

There is a headstone in Balmaclellan Churchard, Dumfries & Galloway, (used to be the county of Kirkcudbrightshire) relating to James Edgar Gordon, of The Manor, Great Sutton, Cheshire.  Gives the date of death as 30.03.1938, aged 85.  It is next to a stone listing a family of Gordon, going back to a John Gordon of Barnhillies who died 16 Oct 1733 aged 66 years

Also mentioned is James Gordon, died 16 Nov 1894 aged 84, Interred Crosby, Liverpool, who I assume is the father of James Edgar.  James Gordon died 7 June 1833 aged 81, interred Manchester.

Details are from the Balmaclellan MI's

Is this the same family?