Taylor, Ragnall 1858, baptism look-up

[miss marple]

Hello all

David Taylor was born 30 September 1858 in Ragnall. Birth certificate shows mother Hannah Taylor, no father given. David was a "nurse child" with widow Elizabeth Walker in 1861 and 1871 censuses, then moved down to London to become an apprentice bricklayer.

I wondered whether baptism records might give a little more information about his mother, Hannah, as I have not been able to identify her at all so have come to a grinding halt with his line!

Any help gratefully received

Jane

[Heather D]

Hi Jane,

you have a problem with Ragnall baptisms as the IGI only goes up to 1812, and they are not on the Notts FHS disk or the BIVRI. However ...bear with me, I have a theory

I started by looking at Ragnall in 1851 and the only Taylors were this family

1851 HO107 2121 631 18
Charles Taylor head 63? gardener Ragnall
Maria 54 Normanton
Henry 26 ag lab Ragnall

Charles seems to have married twice
Charles Taylor Hannah Staniland Ragnall 05/03/1812
1841 HO107 849 34 3
Ragnall
Charles Taylor 50 ag lab Y
Hannah 50 Y
Joseph 30 Y

Also 1841

1841 HO107 849 34 4
William Taylor 28 ag lab Y
Ann 27 Y
John 7 Y
William 5 Y
George 10 months Y

Then in 1851 ... neighbouring village
HO107 2121 669 13
Dunham, Notts
William Taylor head 36 ag lab West markham Notts
Geo son 10 Ragnall, as were all children
Hannah dau 8
Rebecca dau 6
Henry son 12 months

to be continued

[Heather D]

We have a marriage for Hannah Jane Taylor and Moses Flack at Ragnall 23/10/1865

I have found Hannah in later censuses, when her husband seems to be going by the name of Henry

But in 1881
Henry Flack 1841 Earith Hunts
Hannah J Flack Ragnall
William Taylor 1866 Ragnall nephew

1871
83 Sandy Lane Worksop
Edward Holberry head 33 coal miner Notts Hayton?
Rebecca wife 26 Ragnall
Willm Taylor stepson 5 Ragnall

As you can see, these appear to be the two sisters from the 1851 census in Dunham. Could this be your Hannah, even though she would only have been 15/16 when David was born? At least it gives you a point to work from!

Hope you followed that Heather

[miss marple]

Hello Heather

Thanks so much for your help. I shall have to read all the details properly a little later as I'm just in a rush to go out but it looks promising!

Thanks again

Jane

[Heather D]

Forgot the 1861 ...possibly Hannah's father is back in Ragnall with different wife

RG9 2417 126 9
Ragnall Grange, Ragnall
William Taylor head 44 ag lab Notts E Markham
Mary wife 35 Ragnall
Charles son 10
Frederic son 4
David son 3

[miss marple]

Thanks for the further info, Heather. These Taylors liked to make things complicated, didn't they! I think the Hannah could well be my one – if she was only 15 or 16 when she had the baby it makes it even more likely that she would have had to give him up.

When the illegitimate David got married he put down "John Taylor, engineer" as his father on the certificate! You would have thought that anyone inventing a father might have made him just a labourer, but obviously that wasn't good enough for David....had to spend quite a bit of time searching for John Taylor before I was satisfied that he was a figment of David's imagination.

Thanks again for your help.

Jane

[claire31]

Hi,

I realise this set of posts of pretty old, but I thought it may be worth a shot to chip in.  I have Edward Holberry and Rebecca on my tree and had William down as a step son.  As I have only just picked up the researching bug having put it away for a coupel of years I hope you will forgive the lapse.  Anyway, I did know that he vanished from their census records.  However, Hannah Holberry, who is Edward's neice marries a William Holberry in 1893.  Do you think they could be connected? 

Claire :-

[miss marple]

Hi Claire

Yes, I have William Taylor (not Holberry) as marrying his stepfather's niece Hannah Holberry on 3 Apr 1893. She was the daughter of William Holberry and Sarah Dows.  William and Hannah had four children on the 1911 census -  Christopher Augustus, 1894; Annie Winifred, 1896; Louie Amelia, 1898, and William Charles, 1900. Louie Amelia married Ernest Thomas Simpson in 1921, but I haven't found any marriages for the other children.

It's quite a while since I looked at this branch of the family, too!

[claire31]

Hi

Thank you for confirming that for me.  I had sat with 2 William Taylors on my tree for ages before that lightbulb suddenly came on!!!  Do you actually know if he was Rebecca's child as the stepson status may suggest?

Thankyou anyway that little snippet is brilliant.

Claire