William Arthur Pay Lived in SA from 1880-1998 and from 1901-1902

[genealogiepay]

Help wanted:
William Arthur Pay Lived in SA from 1880-1998 and from 1901-1902. During this period he named himself Arthur William, William Arthur and simply Arthur.
other facts:
-fought in Boer War
-was married to Elizabeth Augusta untill she died in 1898
-was married to in 1901
-was a mining engineer
-lived in USA (1898-1901 and 1903-1910)  and in South America after 1910
I would be very grateful if you have any info on my gg-father

[rosie99]

Hi

Welcome to rootschat

Where and when was he born.  Do you have his marriage to Elizabeth Augusta.

You probably have this but for anyone trying to help children born to Arthur William & Elizabeth Augusta Pay in Beaconsfield, South Africa (from familysearch)

Arthur Alfred Arnold Pay bapt 18 June 1890
Ada May Pay bapt 27 May 1894
Violet Florence Pay bapt 20 April 1896.

Rosie

[rosie99]

Is it your online tree that shows him with mother Ada Emily (maiden name not given) and father William James or Charles William. 

Do you have a birth certificate for him or any of his siblings

[genealogiepay]

Hi Rosie,
Sorry for my, very, late reply.
I found out he was married to Elizabeth Augusta Wollenschlager. His mother was Ada Emily Lilian Smith, his father William James Pay. Finding details about WJ Pay is difficult because there are quite a few...
Cheers,
Robin

[Maiden Stone]

Were the years he lived in S. Africa meant to be 1880-1898 rather than 1998?

[rosie99]

For anyone trying to help
1910 census - Manhattan, New York
Arthur Pay - age 46 -widowed - born England- both parents born England - citizenship 1895 -occ Mining engineer
No other family at the address

So he was born c 1854 in England 

Where does the information that his parents were William James Pay & Ada Emily Lilian Smith come from. 

[genealogiepay]

Dear all,
Thanks for your help so far.
He lived in SA for 20 years, and returned during "Black Week" from the USA.
His son (Arthur Alfred Arnoldus) stayed in SA and married in 1915.
In USA (1901-1903 and later, he was married to a Wilhelmina. Found a Brazilian marriage doc of a AP and Guilhermina Delminde de Sosa from 1914...
Biggest mistery is where he died (in 1945). There's no Surinam DC, so perhaps he died somewhere else?

[genealogiepay]

Note:
His parents are mentioned on his birth certificate.
Father William James Pay (died between 1873 and 1881) 's origin is still a mistery...

[rosie99]

You have not previously mentioned his birth certificate, it may help us if you tell us when and where he was born