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Offline Phil Antony

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Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« on: Sunday 10 July 16 11:06 BST (UK) »

Here is a link to a newspaper article about some family pictures sent out to POW Charles H Ward when he was at Stalag VIII-B, in Lamsdorf, Germany. They were found in a second-hand shop in Poland.

http://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/help-find-family-peckham-ww2-soldier-escaped-priosner-war-camp/

Maybe someone out there can help reunite the pictures to his family?

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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 July 16 11:38 BST (UK) »

How lovely that someone took the trouble to try to re-unite these photos with the family concerned!
 I do hope that someone is found.

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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 July 16 16:44 BST (UK) »
from Charles pow record it says v111 b teschen Poland if you google teschen pow camp you,ll get a picture of what it was like , it appears it opened in 1941 so if Charles went missing/died  I cant find any record of him in cwgc site  haven't made any progress matching a marriage for him or finding mothers maiden name of George and Jennifer  in 1939 2 different families of ward lived in bird in hand rd Camberwell .
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ps it would be great if the pics could be reunited with someone related to Charles and his wife
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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 July 16 19:00 BST (UK) »

FindMyPast has a Charles H. Ward Born 1914, and a Marriage in 1929, (Both in Southwark)

First name(s)    CHARLES H
Last name    WARD
Marriage quarter    4
Marriage year    1929
Registration month    -
MarriageFinder™    CHARLES H WARD married
BEATRICE I COX
Spouse's last name    COX
District    ST. OLAVE SOUTHWARK
District number    -
County    London
Country    England
Volume    1D
Page    368
Record set    England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category    Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory    Marriages & divorces
Collections from    Great Britain
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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 July 16 21:25 BST (UK) »
using ward and cox in births for London no births show for Jennifer /gennifer that I can find but a George e ward comes up for 1935 but with a Samuel ward with the same vol and page no so looks like twins .
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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 July 16 23:01 BST (UK) »
1947
Charles H Ward is at that address with John Ward and other people (not Wards).

1945 John Ward
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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 July 16 02:18 BST (UK) »
I think I might have identified Charles H. Ward - as has been said, in 1947 he is living at 14 Bird-in-Bush Road with a John Ward and 3 others including a James Montague and a Florence Montague.

I believe that John Ward was his brother and that James Montague was his stepbrother (i.e. not a Ward).

Jumping back a generation, a Charles Henry Ward (b.1880) married a Louisa Montague, widow (nee Leppard) 17/4/1910 Peckham.   Louisa had 3 children from her 1st marriage - James Thomas Montague (who I believe is the brother James referred to) born 1904, William Alexander Montague born 1905, George Henry Montague born 1907.

Charles and Louisa then have the following:

Rosina Bessie Ward born 1911
Charles Henry Ward born 2/12/1912 (birth reg'd Mar.1913)
John Ward born 1920 (the 'John' Charles is living with in 1947)
Alfred E. Ward born 1921 (died I think in 1933)

James Thomas Montague married a Florence M E Taylor in Mar.1935 and are, I think, the James and Florence Montague living with Charles H. Ward and John Ward in 1947.

Charles Henry Ward married a Gladys L M Lawrence Dec.1937 Camberwell

A daughter with the name already mentioned born 1939 Lambeth - however, I cannot find a son with the name mentioned under Ward/mmn Lawrence at all!

Maybe as a result of Charles ending up a POW the marriage appears to end (though cannot see a record of a divorce) which explains why he appears with no wife in 1947 and they both subsequently  remarry.

Charles H. Ward remarries to a Winifred Jane Ralph in Jun.1948 and they have 5 (possibly 6) children.

Gladys L M Ward (nee Lawrence) remarries to a Joseph W. Herd Mar.1947 Lewisham

Charles Henry Ward born 2/12/1912 died Oct.1987 Greenwich

As mentioned earlier, I cannot find an obvious birth entry for the son referred to but think the daughter marries a man with the surname 'Friend' in Sept.1960 Lewisham.   They appear on 2002 electoral roll living in Maidstone and there is an entry with his initials in the BT current telephone directory at that same address.   Possibly 2 daughters but can't be sure.

With his second wife Charles had at least 4 daughters and a son between 1949 and 1954 (found an online tree that states 4 daughters and 2 sons? so possibly another son born in different area - tree also shows dau. born 1939 but name of her mother left unknown).   Tree also has a photo of Charles Henry Ward.

Whilst we can't know the exact reason 'why' it's a sad outcome re. his first marriage and aforementioned daughter born 1939.

What do others think here?   If you agree with my findings what should we do next?  The fact that his first wife is not even named on the tree makes me wonder if there was some kind of friction re. his 2 families and although these photos refer to their father the offspring of the second marriage may well not be interested in photos send to their father by his first wife!  Perhaps the contact should be with his first born daughter who, from available records, would appear to be living in Maidstone and in her late 70's (if I have identified her marriage correctly). 

Sorry if the more recent findings sound a bit 'cloak and dagger' but cannot give full names as these people are still living.

The events I have listed all took place in Camberwell unless otherwise stated.

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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 July 16 23:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for what you have found so far, especially Annette7's efforts. I think the next thing to do would be sending an email to the paper and seeing what they can further uncover with all the information. So I'll send them a message and see what happens.
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Re: Photos bought in second-hand shop: Charles H. Ward (POW)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 22 January 17 08:40 GMT (UK) »
I'd recommend the Facebook page that has been setup by the VIIIB 344 group.