Workhouse record lookup request at LMA

[Driftygirl]

Hi Everyone

A kind rootschat person suggested I post a request on this message board.

On Ancestry I located my grandmother Mary Anne Jeffries admitted into Edgware Workhouse on 28 August 1913 - discharged 6 weeks later, on 10 October 1913, at her 'own request' (indexed as Jeffress). No destination stated.

I'm trying to find out what happened to her in the end, but cannot find a death certificate yet.

She was born Mary Anne Smith c 1868/70 in Herts and married Albert Jeffries. She had 8 children, 2 of whom died, she was sent at least once to an inebriate reformatory and I'm trying to find out whether she went back into the workhouse after October 1913 or whether she may have been istitutionalised as she never returned to the family home, and my grandfather had to raise the family.

According to my relatives she left the family when my father was very young and they never saw her again (probably c 1911 or later?).She was put in an inebriate reformatory in Gloucestershire where my dad was born in 1905,but the 1911 census lists her at home in Hendon/Cricklewood with the family.

As I live in Oz and can't visit the LMA; is anyone willing to see if she is in a later Edgware workhouse (also called Redhill Institution) record held at London Metropolitan Archives, as part of the Hendon Board of Guardians series (BG/H)?


 

[StevieSteve]

Hi

The probable most useful document would be the BG/H/220 Creed Register 1913-1920. However, because of the dates it's marked as Not available for general access

I'm going on Saturday, so I'll ask if there's any way round that

[carol8353]

As an aside Drifty girl,Redhill Institution later became Edgware General Hospital,my hubby was born there and I age 5 had my tonsils out there! Parents were only allowed to visit once a week,can you imagine that now?

Carol

[jonwarrn]

Edgware Workhouse Religious Creed Register 1913-20 (BG/H/220) is on ancestry
Date of the Entry - 1913 Aug 28
Name - Jeffries Mary Ann
From whence Admitted - Hendon
Religious Creed - C of E
Name of Relative/Friend - Husband 104 Midland Brent Terc. Cricklewood
Date of Admission -
Date of Discharge - 10.10.13

No further admissions

[StevieSteve]

Hi jw55 - I think that entry is from the previous creed register which finished about 25_Oct 1913 IIRC

Can you see any entries a/ in 1914 b/  1917?

[jonwarrn]

Hi Steve
It's from the Creed Register 1913-20, BG/H/220
On Ancestry
London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930
Borough Barnet
Parish or Poor Law Union Hendon
Record Type Religious Creed
Egware (sic) Workhouse, 1913-1920

Don't ask me why they have it under Barnet!
John

[Driftygirl]

Hi Everyone

Thanks for the information, Carol how times have changed with the hospitals thank goodness! I'm guessing the Edgware hospital is still at the site of the old Redhill institution?

Thanks Steve for your kind offer to see if there is anyway around the dates on the Creed register at LMA. Can you explain the comment John made about the Edgware workhouse and Barnet so I get a better understanding of the records? I'd really like to track down what happened to her. She must have died somewhere and am trying to narrow down dates, as there are a lot of deaths for Mary Anne Jeffries and none really fit the bill exactly! At least I've made a leap forward from the census of 1911 to October 1913.

[StevieSteve]

Hi Drifty

On Ancestry, search trhe Card Catalogue
For Title put Poor

You will see    
London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930
Click

On the Right hand side in Borough, select Barnet
In Parish or Poor Law Union, select Hendon
In Record Type, select Religious Creed

The last entry is
Egware Workhouse, 1913-1920

which is the Creed Register I was going to try to look at in LMA

Click to see the images


However, as the only entry found for Mary Ann was the Oct 1913 discharge, it looks as though she didn't return there between 1913 & 1920, if at all


I don't know of anything else that would help at LMA but if anyone comes up with something, I'll have a go

[Bookbox]

I don't know of anything else that would help at LMA but if anyone comes up with something, I'll have a go

Both the creed register and the A&D register for these dates are on Ancestry. Other than the Guardians’ Minutes (unlikely to be helpful at this date), there is nothing else that would help here.

Steve - the Creed Register is classed as ‘not accessible’ not because of the dates but because it’s been digitised on Ancestry. (Poor Law records at LMA are normally subject to a 65-year closure, not the 100 years used for hospital records.) For general information, you can normally order these ‘not accessible’ originals at LMA -- unless they're also classed as Unfit -- by asking a senior archivist to countersign the order slip. They are extremely helpful in that respect, as it is recognised that some supposedly digitised pages are partly unreadable or are completely missing.

John - records at LMA are catalogued according to present-day London boroughs. The Edgware workhouse/Redhill Institution was managed by the Hendon Union. The whole of Hendon, as well as the eastern part of Edgware, are in the London Borough of Barnet.