Patrick Keneally/Kenealy

[Pennines]

I am pleased you are sending for the birth cert - it's what I would do. However I appreciate there is always the risk that it's not the correct one. If it is the correct one, it will be interesting to see who the mother is - just in case it's not Caroline.
I cannot see a marriage for a Patrick to a Caroline in the London area or in Ireland at the moment.

Another possibility is that Patrick married twice (or obtained a partner) - and Ellen may be the daughter of his wife/partner - but Ellen would still regard him as her father. I'm jumping ahead though. There are a couple of marriages in the 1840s in the London area of a Patrick Keneally (or variant) - to an Honora - but they may be rather early. I am just speculating on possibilities.

In my experience with my own Irish families -- they never seem to know how old they are! My Irish Gt Grandparents birth years varied considerably from census to census - that, together with the variant surname spellings do make for a challenge.

[MaureeninNY]

There's a marriage in 1889 of a John Kenealy, 26, son of Patrick, a bricklayer. His address is 26 Nightingale St

Also in 1888 a Timothy Kennealy, 24 (widower) son of Patrick, a labourer. address 8 Highworth St.


This might be interesting from 1871 - address Barretts Court

Phillip Kennelly    45 - bricklayer's labourer b Limerick
Margaret Kennelly    40 - b Limerick
Mary Kennelly    15 - b Marylebone
Timothy Kennelly    9 - b Marylebone
Ellen Kennelly    7  b Marylebone

RG10, 163, 53, 37

margaret is on 1881 & 1891, a widow, in Marylebone. 1881 has a 17 yr old Honora with her - but still there in 1891 as Nora

Difficult family to trace! I wonder if there are 2 families with Patrick AKA Phillip being Michael's brother. Both marrying a Margaret.

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1881 Ancestry
Does this look like it could be the same family as the 1871 with parents Phillip and Marg*?

Timoty (sic) Runnesly (parents Patrick and Marg*)
142/37/46
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1871 Ancestry:
Honore Conelly (parents Michael and Marg*)
159/71/40
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An Ann Norah KENEALY (born 1865 father:Michael) marries John TOMPKINS July 13 1884 Maida Hill.
The witnesses are Thomas and Ellen SANGSTER.

Maureen

[suehiggi]

An Ann Norah KENEALY (born 1865 father:Michael) marries John TOMPKINS July 13 1884 Maida Hill.
The witnesses are Thomas and Ellen SANGSTER.

Thats definately the Ellen I am looking for, so if she was a witness to Ann Norah Kenealy's marriage then maybe Ann is a sister? confuding though because Ann's father is Michael and Ellen's father is definately Patrick on her own marriage certificate. Is the fathers name likely to be wrong on a marriage certificate. I also note that Thomas and Ellen lived at 16 Nightingale street in 1891 and

'There's a marriage in 1889 of a John Kenealy, 26, son of Patrick, a bricklayer. His address is 26 Nightingale St'
could john also be a sibling as they are in the same street?
Perhapes i should look for a group of siblings including Ellen, John and Ann Norah in Marylebone area.
I'm starting to think that Caroline as Patrick's wife is wrong because I only have that from a possible census and that could be the wrong Patrick. I dont have a mothers name for sure.

I have found out that their is a family connection rumoured to Jospeh O'Sullivan who assassinated Field Marshal Sir Henry Wilson in 1922.O'Sullivan's mother was Mary Ann O'Sullivan (née Murphy) and one of the witnessess to Ellen's marriage is a W or M Murphy. Could that be a route to find out more I wonder?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

John and Norah Tompkins are in Marylebone in 1901 (and probably 1891 on a badly damaged section). She's b c1865 in Marylebone. she's also on 1911, but she's lost a few years!

[Royfamily]

my grandmother was Elizabeth Kennealy living in Marylebone 1901 aged18 father Timothy 38.step mum Catherine (Hall) 31. elizabeths sister Margret 10.Timothy went to Canada and had 3 more kids with Catherine one of the girls was called Nora 10yo sister Mary 8yo brother Edward 14yo, also in the same  year in Marylebone was Patrick Kennealy aged 12 and Kathleen 10 born in Canada ,my grandmother told a story of being made in Ireland born in England emigrating to canada coming home and staying in England,but her family went back,Elizabeth was born in 1884( married John Barry aged 21,)Good luck with your search.

[Royfamily]

There's a marriage in 1889 of a John Kenealy, 26, son of Patrick, a bricklayer. His address is 26 Nightingale St

Also in 1888 a Timothy Kennealy, 24 (widower) son of Patrick, a labourer. address 8 Highworth St.
Timothy married Catherine Hall in 1888 my nan Elizabeth his daughter was 4 yo ,added by royfamily,

This might be interesting from 1871 - address Barretts Court

Phillip Kennelly    45 - bricklayer's labourer b Limerick
Margaret Kennelly    40 - b Limerick
Mary Kennelly    15 - b Marylebone
Timothy Kennelly    9 - b Marylebone
Ellen Kennelly    7  b Marylebone

RG10, 163, 53, 37

margaret is on 1881 & 1891, a widow, in Marylebone. 1881 has a 17 yr old Honora with her - but still there in 1891 as Nora

Difficult family to trace! I wonder if there are 2 families with Patrick AKA Phillip being Michael's brother. Both marrying a Margaret.

....
1881 Ancestry
Does this look like it could be the same family as the 1871 with parents Phillip and Marg*?

Timoty (sic) Runnesly (parents Patrick and Marg*)
142/37/46
.....
1871 Ancestry:
Honore Conelly (parents Michael and Marg*)
159/71/40
....
An Ann Norah KENEALY (born 1865 father:Michael) marries John TOMPKINS July 13 1884 Maida Hill.
The witnesses are Thomas and Ellen SANGSTER.

Maureen