Patrick Keneally/Kenealy

[suehiggi]

Hello can anyone help with tracing my Great Grandmother's father. She was Ellen Keneally on her marriage certificate to a Thomas Sangster in 1883 at Christchurch Marylebone and I have that certificate. Her father is given as Patrick Kenealy and the witnesses were what looks like W Murphy and Bridget Clark. Her fathers occupation was a Plasterer. I found an 1881 census for a Patrick Keneally with a daughter Hanora who could be Ellen as she changed her first name. The address for that is 37 Horace street Marylebone and Patrick is listed as being born in Ireland along with his wife Caroline. I have all the information to the present day but would like to be able to go back and find out more about Patrick or Caroline but can find no more census entries or a marriage for them. If anyone could help it would be fantastic. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I hope it made sense.

[Christine53]

Hello can anyone help with tracing my Great Grandmother's father. She was Ellen Keneally on her marriage certificate to a Thomas Sangster in 1883 at Christchurch Marylebone and I have that certificate. Her father is given as Patrick Kenealy and the witnesses were what looks like W Murphy and Bridget Clark. Her fathers occupation was a Plasterer.

Her father's occupation is labourer on the marriage certificate . It is Thomas Sangster senior who is a plasterer.

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi, Welcome to Rootschat

I think it highly unlikely that a 10yr old Hanora in 1881 could marry as Ellen in 1883.

What are the ages and addresses for couple given on marriage cert?

Have you found them on any other census
 
Edit: Ellen gives birthdate of 1865/66 in 1891/1901

Cas

[suehiggi]

I have found Ellen and Thimas on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census. In 1891 Ellen's age was 25 born Marylebone and the address was 16 Nightingale street. The marriage certificate says Thomas was 20 living in East Street and Ellen was 19 from Capland Street. The marriage was Oct 21 1883 at Christchurch Marylebone. Have been unable to trace Ellen or her Father on any earlier census. In the family the notion is an Irish connection but we don't know how far back.

[Pennines]

Strangely - living in Marylebone in 1871 are a Patsy Kenealy, aged 46 - a male! Labourer, born Ireland - with a wife Ellen aged 38 born Cork and 2 daughters, Ann 12 born Bengal and Mary 3 born Marylebone.

I know this isn't the right family - but with the surname and the location being the same, I am wondering if there is a connection.

Have you found the births of any of those children on the 1881 census? It might be worth sending for a birth certificate. I am wondering if Caroline was maybe a second wife or partner.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

There's a marriage in 1889 of a John Kenealy, 26, son of Patrick, a bricklayer. His address is 26 Nightingale St

Also in 1888 a Timothy Kennealy, 24 (widower) son of Patrick, a labourer. address 8 Highworth St.


This might be interesting from 1871 - address Barretts Court

Phillip Kennelly    45 - bricklayer's labourer b Limerick
Margaret Kennelly    40 - b Limerick
Mary Kennelly    15 - b Marylebone
Timothy Kennelly    9 - b Marylebone
Ellen Kennelly    7  b Marylebone

RG10, 163, 53, 37

margaret is on 1881 & 1891, a widow, in Marylebone. 1881 has a 17 yr old Honora with her - but still there in 1891 as Nora

[Pennines]

This family really are elusive. As you have the marriage certificate -- are any of the witnesses from the Keneally family?

There is a birth registration for an Ellen Kenealy Q/E March  1866 Holborn Reg Dist.
I wonder if it would be worth obtaining that just to confirm or eliminate that birth 'from enquiries'.

[suehiggi]

Thank you. I will send for the birth certificate an hope the fathers name comes back as Patrick. It really is quite a pickle tracing them on any other census!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

The John who marries in 1889 looks like he may have been registered as John Kannaly Q1 1863 in Marylebone. 1881 he might be in the army - can;t find him elsewhere.