Who is Phyllis May Cedone Lee ?

[Christine53]

I've been wondering about the name Cedone and found this birth reg. :

Cedone Warner O-D 1891 3b 160 Wellingborough

She is on the 1901 census, living in Finedon , as Codone Warner with her mother Sarah Jane, born Wednesbury 1851, and siblings .
(RG13 1444 84 10)
I cannot see her in 1911 and cannot find a death or marriage for her.
Tracing the family back to 1891 they are in Finedon with father Alfred Warner b Finedon 1851 a boot finisher.( RG12 1214 85 9). Alfred Warner was absent from the 1901 census and there is a possible mention of him in the Northants Mercury 17 June 1904 :
Arthur Warner , Finedon , charged on April 27 with deserting his wife and family and on June 11 with using obscene language.
Also in the same paper 2 Dec 1892 : Alfred Warner , Finedon, charged with threatening his wife. In 1893 he was sent to prison and then bound over for assaulting his wife.

I think Sarah Jane Warner died 1906 O-D Wellingborough 3b 71.

Is it possible that Cedone moved away to escape her background and changed her name ? There is nothing to connect her with Phyllis  other than the name and the year of her birth.

[Cas (stallc)]

1939 free index gives birth year as 1885

1901 looks the same Phyllis but if her father is Henry that would rule her out.

Would not be the first to fib on marriage cert, with unlikely knowledge of father, through death or absconded, or to cover illegitamacy.

Also large difference in occ, and birth year on marriage, (would need money and years training to be a lady dentist) and the info supplied in 39 reg.

Maybe she decided to add a few names as liked them. Or birth year was recorded as 21 but was really 27 and read as 21. Death records are only as good as informant.

Other than that maybe born abroad?  Her husbands details all fit, with age, pob, census & military record.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXRL-5X6

Info on last stated occ http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14750.0

Just my thoughts, with trying to help...

Cas

[Jomot]

Possible birth, maybe correct family?

Births Dec 1885   - Only one that possibly fits with year & birth Qtr from age given 39 reg
Lee Phillis Dudley 6c 132

Family are in Dudley, Court Stafford Street, in 1891 with Phyliss Lee age 5 mother Maria age 46 states married, no husband present.  Number of children all family b Dudley, one called Alfred.  1881 in Dudley, Court Stafford Street, Maria age 39 states herself a widow, wonder if Phyllis is illegitimate?

School registers for Park School (Girls'), Dudley, show a Phyllis Lee born 9 Oct 1885, address 36 Stafford Street, father Samuel     Date of Admission: 31 Mar 1896, Date of leaving: 11 Mar 1898.  Previous school was Wolverhampton St Girls.

I note that there is a Samuel Brockhouse lodging with the family in 1891 & 1901, could he be the Samuel referred to in the school register?

[Cas (stallc)]

I think he was...also the father of Samuel, she states married when he is living there but he is also married, check 1861 in area, seems a lady's man, that needs a roof...is with another widow

Cas

[jim1]

I've been wondering about the name Cedone

I wondered about Cedone. I did have a look at some with that name.

Other than that maybe born abroad?

I did look on the Irish & USA census & passenger lists with no luck.
I've also come to the conclusion she's been inventive about a lot of things.
The Dudley Phyllis is looking a good candidate.
There's some good information there about her.

[jim1]

Thanks everyone for the help. There's some new candidates to consider but I might have to wait for the 1921 census & hope she's a bit more truthful.
In the meantime I'll take a closer look at Dudley Phyllis.
Thanks.

[jim1]

Thought I'd give an update.
The 1939 register gives a birth date of Oct. 1st. 1885.
Consistent with the death cert. except it's 6 years earlier & consistent with the school admission book except it's 8 days earlier.
Has to be her.. doesn't it.

[Cas (stallc)]

Jim, I maybe wrong, but being doing this a while..my FH nose says yes, but.... Does the 1921 give birthplace, info? Back in the day did they know or be worried about the date? DOB...Cannot even say obtaining birth cert would prove any..

Cas

[jim1]

My nose is twitching as well.
Birthplace will be on the 1921 census as it was on the others. Whether it asks for a DOB I can't say.
It's anybody's guess at the moment who Phyllis' father was. It could be Henry Lee, Samuel Brockhouse or someone called Alfred.