Alice Daniel

[CaroleW]

In 1861 she is a servant in Govan working for the McMaster family.  Aged 20 b Glasgow

Govan ED 13 Page 20 Line 15

[cando]

This may be the death of her first husband

DOBSON William
Father William  Mother Martha FULTON
1874  37 years  Born Tyrone  Reg#11172

Cando

[cando]

Death reg
CALDER Alice
Unknown
At West Melbourne  1893  Reg#7108

Cando

[sparrett]

It is interesting in reading the documents in the Will file cited by Ros, a friend of Alice DOBSON named Eliza LANDER declares she has known Alice DOBSON intimately for years and that she has been living separately from her husband for thirty years and her estate comes from her own earnings as an office keeper.

So we see the William CALDER in Greenock, Scotland  may have been gone for a good while!
Sue 

[cando]

It is interesting in reading the documents in the Will file cited by Ros, a friend of Alice DOBSON named Eliza LANDER declares she has known Alice DOBSON intimately for years and that she has been living separately from her husband for thirty years and her estate comes from her own earnings as an office keeper.

So we see the William CALDER in Greenock, Scotland  may have been gone for a good while!
Sue

Something not right here.  Alice married Wm CALDER in 1886 and she died in 1893.  30 years apart??  Her first husband died in 1874.

Marriage
CALDER William (born Glasgow)
DOBSON  Alice (born Glasgow)
Year 1886
#1315

Cando

[sparrett]

Mmm.. it is strange.

Should also be noted that Eliza LANDER and her children are noted in the will insofar as should both sons of Alice CALDER be deceased by a certain date, then proceeds from the estate is to  be distributed between Eliza LANDER and her children who are named.

Among other things, the estate consisted of three nice pieces of real estate in Melbourne suburbs.

Furthermore, Eliza lived at Romsey while Alice was in Melbourne.  An intimate friendship may have been difficult given the distances involved.

To have known Alice for 30 years Eliza must have made her acquaintance shortly after Alice's arrival in Victoria (1961 per Cando) and, therefore, before either of the marriages.

Perhaps Eliza was meaning in her statement , there should be no claim on the estate from either husband, one being deceased and the other absent??

Sue

[sparrett]

On the manifest of Orhiona 1861, Alice DANIEL is a housemaid and to be engaged by Mrs A. FRASER (I think?) of St Kilda.
Sue

[cando]

Eliza/Elizabeth LANDER nee KILPATRICK had 12 chn with her husband Wm John, at Ballan, Ballarat. Bacchus Marsh. Myrniong and Romsey between 1868 and 1886.  Margaret Jane, Bessie, May, William, Peter, James, Thomas, Richard Henry Manning, John, Richard Septimus, Ann Alice and Bessie Margaret.  Wm John and Eliza/Elizabeth married in 1863.

Cando

[sparrett]

I suspect the surname could be LAUDER, not LANDER.
Sue

ADDING, the children to be benefitted from the will in 1901 if Alice's own sons were deceased, were the three last listed (above) of Eliza LANDER/LAUDER, namely Annie Alice, Bessie and Septimus.

Sue