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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #18 on: Friday 17 June 16 16:06 BST (UK) »
PS I just checked and 23 and 24 Vict cap 85 is an Act amending 17 and 18 Vict Cap 80 by making provision for the listing of omitted events in the Registers of Neglected Entries. QED.
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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 June 16 17:11 BST (UK) »
Sorry Forfarian I need more help in understanding what I'm looking at...

GROS 291/0000200005 is a list of Baptisms from July 1818 to January 1822 this contains Ann's baptism of 1822 along with a note about seeing the next page for the rest of the family. I took the 'next' page to be the one with the list of children from 1803 which also includes Ann's baptism.
GROS 291/00 0010 0157 is the list of the McKenzie children (including a repeat of Ann's details)

GROS 291/00 0010 0156 (I have not looked at this) appears to be a record of Robert born April 12 1819. I don't get the numbering as if the 'next' page is the one ending in 0157 where does the one ending 0156 fit in?

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JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #20 on: Friday 17 June 16 17:44 BST (UK) »
Sorry Forfarian I need more help in understanding what I'm looking at...

As the only thing I can see is the extract posted on this thread, I don't know what you can see.

However if I look at the strings of numbers you have posted, this is what I think

GROS indicates General Register Office for Scotland, obviously.
291 is the number indicating the parish of Guthrie
We then have Volume 1 page 156 and Volume 1 page 157
Then finally Volume 2 page 5.

The extract posted reads
1819 April 12 Robert was born
The twelve preceding Entries are Extracted from the Register in the custody of the Registrar in terms of the Acts 17 & 18 Vict Cap 80 and 23 & 24 Vict Cap 85. One word and six figures deleted before signature. W P Dundas, Registrar General.


It sounds as if Vol 1 Page 157 precedes Vol 1 Page 156. I have no idea why this would be, but I have tried to think up a procedure that might account for it. It makes no difference to the content of the registers.

If I find myself in the Angus Archives or Forfar Public Library with time on my hands and if I remember about it I might indulge my curiosity by taking a look at the microfilm(s) of the Guthrie parish registers to see if they shed any light on the page order. However I doubt that it would actually help to move Scott's brick wall, which I fear is more in the nature of a well-engineered solid stone dyke and not about to be easily, if at all, broken down.
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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #21 on: Friday 17 June 16 18:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks Forfarian,
I'm now looking at the OPR for James McKenzie, my 4th GGF (reputed!) born in 1788
291/0000100129 and his sister Jean born in 1790 291/0000100130. Not many births in Guthrie so the two pages cover the three years. However, there's another listing for Jean 291/0000100125 (lower number) but it must have been made after the other record because it has her baptism on the 9th of November while the other makes it clear she was born on the 9th and baptised on the 10th.

There are also some other anomalies like David Gibb and his spouse Mary Wyllie had a natural daughter. Well the couple did marry late but the child was born in wedlock so why write natural?
You can tell I'm stuck indoors due to thunderstorms!
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JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir


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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #22 on: Friday 17 June 16 20:10 BST (UK) »
Yes, all very curious.

Did you know that Jean Whyte, wife of Alexander McKenzie born 1803, was my second cousin 3 times removed, so you and I are connected, but not related, through the McKenzies as well as related via Jolly - Thom - Davidson - Wyllie?
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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 18 June 16 10:47 BST (UK) »
Yes, all very curious.

Did you know that Jean Whyte, wife of Alexander McKenzie born 1803, was my second cousin 3 times removed, so you and I are connected, but not related, through the McKenzies as well as related via Jolly - Thom - Davidson - Wyllie?

No I did not know that - curious indeed. To be honest I've not done much work on this line since discovering Janet Stott McKenzie died in the Brechin poorhouse leaving all those children behind and before this thread appeared I had no idea Alexander McKenzie was still alive in 1841 age 93.

Also curious is the family living next door to old Alexander - a Charles Jolly married to a Mary Hendry now that's a bit of a coincidence...
Jen

North East Scotland above the Tay...
JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 18 June 16 16:32 BST (UK) »
Jen,

You wrote "before this thread appeared I had no idea Alexander McKenzie was still alive in 1841 age 93"  (just saw how to get the "Quote from" at the top of a page but can't seem to do it in "modify" mode).

Do you know who this Alexander McKenzie is?

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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 18 June 16 16:59 BST (UK) »
Well, I'm not 100% sure but I think he might be the father of my James McKenzie born in 1788 to an Alexander McKenzie (cattle dealer) and Mary Gibb. James died in 1859 and on his death certificate those two are named as his parents. On the 1851 census James McKenzie's birthplace is down as Guthrie. If it's the correct Alexander he's my 5th great grandfather.
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JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: Alexander Mckenzie & Ann Greig abt 1780 - stuck
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 18 June 16 18:36 BST (UK) »
Jen,

Do you have a death date for Mary Gibb? With that we might get a clue as to whether your Alex is the Father-in-law of my Ann Grieg or the husband. You Alex stopped having children in the early 1790s and mine started in 1802 (Guthrie). No repeat of  names w/ children but doubting my Alex was in his 70 when he had his daughter Ann in 1822 (but who knows). Any death info on your Alex? My Ann is buried in Newmonthill in 1864.