Missing Marriage Record - Stewart - 1860s

[Emma08]

Hi,

I'm not sure which board to post this on, because I'm not sure where the marriage took place.  But I thought I'd start here,  because I have other documents placing one spouse in the London area.

I'm trying to find a marriage between Walter Stewart and Catherine  (nee Birmingham /Bermingham ) that would have happened before 1871... likely somewhere between 1861 and 1871.

I have no details at all about Walter Stewart. Not even an estimated birth date.

Catherine's father was a Walter Birmingham. Occupation: Farrier.
I don't know her birthplace,  but estimated birth date is 1843.

Catherine was widowed sometime before 1871, and remarried in 1871 under "Catherine Stewart" to a William J Menelly.  At this point she was living in London  (St George Hanover Square area).

I have searched and searched for the marriage between Catherine and Walter Stewart but can't find anything.
There don't appear to be any records of a Catherine Birmingham marrying anyone with the surname Stewart.

I have searched Irish records as best I can, as there is the possibility that she was Irish.

Catherine and Walter had a son named Henry Stewart.  He may have been born in 1867. I have no idea where.

Catherine's name may have been spelled Catharine.

If anyone knows how to track this marriage down,  I would be really grateful for the help.

Thank you

Emma

[rosie99]

When / Where was Catherine born

- sorry just spotted c1843 you don't know where

[rosie99]

There is a Catherine with father Walter bn 1849, Durham
1851 H0107/2391 f158 p   24

She appears on 1911 census and dies in Steyning reg dist
Sep qtr 1921   
Catherine Menelly   age 78


1861 still at home with parents age 13.   You say she was widowed by 1871. Could she have married in Scotland / Gretna she is at the right end of the country.

[Emma08]

Hi. Thanks for your reply.

Yes, this is the confusing part that I should have mentioned.

My Catherine died in 1885. In Chelsea.

William Menelly then married again - to another Catherine - which is the one who died in the 1900s that you found.

William and my Catherine had two daughters Elizabeth and Edith Jane Menelly. 

Edith emigrated to the states and died there in 1950. She married a Chapman

I have found quite a bit about the family after Catherine's death in 1885 but very difficult to find anything about her before.

I had wondered about that Catherine with the father Walter in Durham too. The birth dates are a bit out though.

I have two records of Catherine being in a workhouse in 1881 with one of her daughters and her birth date is given as 1843 on both documents.

The Walter Birmingham in Durham in 1851 also seems to have emigrated to America before 1871. I can't find any record of that Catherine going with him... have found a few records for that Walter and his son Richard in America though.

[Emma08]

I suppose the Catherine in Durham could be the one I'm looking for... maybe she didn't go to America with her father... or maybe she did?  And I haven't found her yet?

Her father's occupation on her second marriage certificate is very specific "farrier".
Interestingly,  her son Henry Stewart was a farrier sergeant in the army. ...

[myluck!]

On the 1871 census is a Catherine STEWART a widow; occ. nurse; age 29; born New York, America - she is living with Lady Ann Beckett at #11 Stratford Place, Marylebone, London

This is very close to where William and Catherine married

It may be if this is correct she was married in the US

Her marriage to William John MENELLEY on Jun 07 1871 shows both as living at "King Street"
Their witnesses were James RICHARD and Mary WALKER

[Emma08]

Thank you for that!
Born in New York... interesting. I'll look into that one. Are all American states marriage indexes online?

Thank you for transcribing the surname Richard too. I couldn't get that at first.

Strangely I can't find Catherine and William Menelly on any 1881 census.  Their two daughters are staying with another family on the night of the census.

[myluck!]

I am sorry I am not familiar with researching in the USA so not sure of availability of records
I'll look where I have access and see if anything shows up

[myluck!]

Her father's occupation on her second marriage certificate is very specific "farrier".
Interestingly,  her son Henry Stewart was a farrier sergeant in the army. ...

Has Henry's army record survived? as it could name his parents and/or place of birth for you