Clowes conundrum

[vinpip]

that's great Jomot - any link might help. Thanks

[vinpip]

A possible for Emma is that she reverted to Tewson and married Harry Salisbury at Christ Church, Bacup in 1904.  Possibly showing as the adopted daughter of the Nuttall family in Bacup in 1901 

Thanks Jomot still going with this one - have got the marriage cert now and it looks like it is her - right age and father.

Still can't find her in 1891 -  can anyone else please?

Added - Emma Tewson born 1877 Wing Rutland ,parents Charlotte & John Tewson
1881 In Clerkenwell as Emma Clowes
1901 in Bacup, Lancs adopted daughter of William & Mary Nuttall
1904 married Harry Salisbury Bacup Lancs
1911 in Bacup, Lancs

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

Sorry if this adds more questions than answers, but have you seen this birth?

John Willie CLOWES    Dec Q 1881    Oakham    7a  298 
mmn.  WOODCOCK   


I can't see another CLOWES/WOODCOCK marriage that could be his parents.


Then he disappears

This would put Charlotte back in Rutland just after the 1881 census.

I know this is not much help but maybe it's a clue to where they go in 1891


Regards,
Daisy

[vinpip]

Have you read my mind Daisypetal I just found that late last night!!! I hadn't found the maiden name so thank you so much! That pretty much confirms it's the right birth - yay I might save a tenner on the cert lol

I've also found a death for Charlotte Clews and John William Clews Sept 1882 Stockport Workhouse. I have the Charlotte one and occupation was housekeeper at Cheadle, where Thomas Clowes has family at that time.

My theory so far is
1881 April - Clerkenwell
1881 Dec - Rutland
1882       -Cheadle Cheshire
1882 May ish Stockport Workhouse
1882 Sep  Death of Charlotte & John Willie (William)

No sign of Emma in 1891 and I'm still working on a link with the adopted Nuttall family

[Daisypetal]

Just in case you haven't found it yet, did you know that the GRO have now got a search facility that shows maiden names for births and ages at death. It's not perfect yet, for instance under the "Age at Death (in years)" column it doesn't seem to register months so says 14 when it should be 14 months. There are also people missing from their search that can be found using FindMyPast or Ancestry etc. but they say they are updating the index weekly so it will get there eventually

I couldn't find Charlotte or John William's death so I used the report a problem form to let them know, I hope you don't mind.

I think you have to register with the site to use the search but then it's free to check before you send for a cert.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp


Where is Emma in 1891 and what happened to Thomas?......I love a puzzle but it's driving me crazy 

[vinpip]

No I didn't know that sounds very helpful indeed! I shall be looking into that thank you.

The possible deaths are registered under Clews in Stockport (workhouse) so that might be the problem. I have the one for Charlotte but not for John William.

I can't find Emma anywhere in 1891

My theory for Thomas is that after he is discharged from the army 1888, he makes his way to Wales for the 1891,1901, 1911 and works as a farm servant/ cattleman. I've checked and double checked for any other possible Thomas Clowes this could be and am quietly confident that he is my guy.
Probable death is May 1936 Temple Buildings, Lampeter, Wales, previously the workhousebut I don't have the cert as I felt it wouldn't prove anything more to me but the ages match up exactly to his birth date.

So I'm missing Emma in 1891 and the link to the adoptive family to tie things up. Any ideas where next?

[vinpip]

I might have had a breakthrough!

1891 census, Reddish Lancs
class:RG12, piece:2795, folio:136, page:34, GSU roll:6097905

Emily Tiwson (the writing imo is easily recognisable as Tewson)
Age 13, Nurse domestic servant, n.K. where born

What does anyone think? Is it a possibliity? Opinions, comments warmly welcomed

[Marmalady]

Reddish is on the outskirts of Stockport, and not far from Cheadle -- so this Emma is certainly in the right area!

But where has she been since her mother died several years earlier?

[vinpip]

Thanks Marmalady the location is close isn't it?! Emily very similar to Emma too.

That's the question isn't it?! She could well have stayed in Stockport Workhouse, where I now believe her mother and half brother died. Unfortunately from what I can see there are no admission and discharge records left, having being destroyed in WW2. Thomas Clowes is off up in Berwick on Tweed enrolling in the army by Dec 1882.

There is family of Thomas - Sarah Moss (born Sarah Clowes 1850 Onecote, Staffs) in Cheadle in 1891 & 1881