Russian marriage certificate and Kazakstan birth record

[Rudolf H B]

Hello,

to move from one side of the city centre to the other side is no distance, when you came from Germany to Russia.

Church books might be lost or destroyed, but please check familysearch.org for German churches in Moscow. (I think Catherine the Great had been lutheran.) There are at least two:

* St. Michaelis-Gemeinde (luth.)
* St. Petri-Pauli-Kirche (luth.)

Regards Rudolf

[Rudolf H B]

Research in Russia:

Here are a lot of links: http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Russland

* English and German societies
* chats
* mailing-lists ...

The German version is much better than the English one:
http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/Russia

Good luck Rudolf

[vhb]

Well, I need the actual record/ the marriage certificate. This is for citizenship purposes, the same goes for his son's (my grandfather) birth record. He was born in what is now Uzbekistan.

About the directories, there's a Facebook group called Eastern Europe Genealogy Research Community. Somebody provided me with this information.

The guy seems to be in or from Russia, and has this old directories (I guess some sort of "yellow pages"

[Ruskie]

Thanks for the information about the directories vhb. 

How far back to you need the certificates for "citizenship" purposes? This is a bit of an impossible situation as certificates are obviously difficult, if not impossible in some cases, to obtain.

Will they take any other proof of citizenship?

Do you need to hire someone in Moscow to try to obtain this for you? Questions must arise about record keeping or the survival of those records.

May I ask who is attempting to obtain citizenship, and of which country?

[vhb]

Sure, the applicant would be me, and I need "original" documents that would prove german descent.

Those two documents are the ones I need,
My grandfather (Eugen) birth record.
And his parents (Jakob and Sophie) marriage record.
This would prove he was born under a "legal" marriage.

Jakob was german, that would make Eugen german as well as my father, then me.
There are some rules and dates to consider in this (not as simple as I'm putting it) but that is the simple explanation.

I already have Jakob's birth record from Germany and his citizen record.

I probably will have to hire somebody to obtain both documents. Because even if a went to Moscow and Tashkent I would be absolutely lost.

[Ruskie]

Thanks for the explanation.

It seems a convoluted and difficult requirement, especially given the era and the fact that your relatives travelled around so much. I suppose this is intentional to prevent anyone and everyone claiming German citizenship.

You may need to hire someone to help.

Best of luck. 

[vhb]

yup,

and thanks, I think that's mostly what I will need. Luck