Two Charles COE/Elizabeth families in NSW from 1850's

[majm]

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NSW-ORANGEBATHURST/2007-04/1175490353

Hi there ClaireLouiseB,

Welcome,

I have popped a live link to some online conversations about the COE families.    I am not a family member.   You have mentioned the name of a person who may well be still alive, so I will ask a volunteer moderator to modify to remove that person's name.  Don't panic though,  as once you have made three posts, you will have access to all the features at RootsChat.

JM

[sarah]

Hi Claire,

If you google the ladies names in "quotes" followed by family history Australia her email address pops up

Regards

Sarah

[meme9]

Hi, I am a descendant of Rachel (sometimes spelt Rachael) Coe and her husband Thomas Bowman of Coonamble NSW. Rachels mother Elizabeth was indeed the daughter of Elizabeth MacGinnis (wife of Daniel, Deceased in Newgate prison, London)) surname later changed to McGuiness, in Australia.
My interest is in the children of Rachel and Thomas (also known as Tom, Particularly my great, great grandmother Grace Mary Bowman. I have birth infomation on all of R &T's children, except Grace Mary as she is the only child of Rachel and Thomas whose birth record I cannot find. This saddens me as I promised my deceased nanna , Grace Mary, that Id find her record to help compile oyr family history. I have no info regarding Thomas Bowman but will take a trip to Coonamble one day and hope to view Church records then.

[Jamjar]

Welcome to Rootschat, Meme9.

I can’t see a birth for Grace either.

Do you have her marriage or death certs, for age?:

7960/1921 MATHES Bertie L to BOWMAN Grace M COONAMBLE

187/1932 MACCLELLAND James C to MATHES Grace M SYDNEY

Death: 28169/1979 MACCLELLAND Grace Mary parents THOMAS and RACHEL

McCLELLAND Grace Mary Death notice 2 Dec 1979 Death formerly of Tempe Sydney Morning Herald 3 Dec 1979

James death and funeral notices, 1st page, columns 2 and 7: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19681106&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:

Grace Mary McClelland 4-12-1979
P10 - Presbyterian FM 10, Position 402

James Connor McLelland 5-11-1968
P10 - Presbyterian FM 10, Position 402

Daughter of Grace, mentioned in James’ death notice:

Birth: 21095/1921 MATHES Mona parents BERTIE L and GRACE M COONAMBLE

Death: 12653/1921 MATHES Bertie L parents THOMAS and SARAH COONAMBLE

Marriage: 10043/1930 CHIVERS David J to MATHES Mona REDFERN

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
A5C - Anglican FM 5C, Position 2144
Mona Chivers 11-2-1980
David John Chivers 18-4-1963

CHIVERS Mona Death notice 7 Feb 1980 Death 67 late of Revesby   Sydney Morning Herald 9 Feb 1980

Death and funeral notices for David. Type 12 into small white box, 1st and 5th columns: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19630418&printsec=frontpage&hl=en



6087/1883 BOWMAN Thomas to COE Rachael COONAMBLE

17075/1935 BOWMAN Rachel parents CHARLES and ELIZABETH NEWTOWN

11002/1936 BOWMAN Thomas parents WILLIAM and MARY NEWTOWN

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
UC - Uniting FM C, Position 31
Rachel Bowman 31-7-1935
Thomas Bowman 15-5-1936
Thomas Hilton Bowman 1-10-1963

Rachel Bowman death mention, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article162527941
Funeral: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01opu/

Thomas Snr funeral notice, funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17344766
Obit, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article231322259

I’m not seeing a birth for Thomas, although there is a William and Mary Bowman having children in the general area, at the right time.

There is only one marriage in NSW between 1840 and 1860:

2081/1860 BOWMAN William to WILD Mary MUDGEE

There is an Adelaide BOWMAN born 1868 and married in COONAMBLE to Edward FORREST 900/1895  maybe a sister of Thomas. Then Martha born 1873 married COONAMBLE to William A EVANS 3247/1892

Headstone for Martha and I believe her mother Mary: https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9756379#images

Death of Mary: 12389/1905 BOWMAN Mary parents THOMAS and MARY J COONAMBLE

Possible husband of Mary: https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9756381

1561/1896 BOWMAN William parents WILLIAM and CATHERINE COONAMBLE

I think this is Adelaide’s death: 18830/1941 Randwick, funeral notice 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17755201

At Rookwood: Adelaide Forrest
Date of Burial : 7 JUL 1941
Age : UNKNOWN
Plot : 14_Zone D/#/914

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Children of Rachel and Thomas Bowman, born COONAMBLE:

27034/1884 John - marriage 11004/1909 GARDNER Bertha A - deaths 38731/1969 as John Stanley BOWMAN COONAMBLE, 32884/1959 Bertha Ada
Headstone photo for John and wife: https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9755939#images

27814/1885 Thomas death 12568/1885 COONAMBLE

28599/1886 Gertrude - married 3947/1905 MCGINLEY Francis D - death 4777/1966 SYDNEY
At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery
RC2 - Roman Catholic FM 2, Position 663
Gertrude McGinley 6-9-1966
Francis David McGinley 12-9-1951

Gertrude’s death and funeral notices. Type 14 into small white box, 3rd and 2nd last columns: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19660906&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Francis’ death and funeral notices, 2nd and 7th columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18230036
Obit, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article82760786

11012/1890 Thomas - marriages 12991/1921 BURNES Grace and 16852/1926 KERZ Rachel M E - death 35172/1963 as Thomas Hilton Bowman NEWTOWN
At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
UC - Uniting FM C, Position 31
Thomas Hilton Bowman 1-10-1963

BOWMAN Thomas Hilton Death notice 29 Sep 1963 Death late of St. Peters Sydney Morning Herald 30 Sep 1963   

11644/1893 Ivy - married 4721/1910 COE Stanley - death 28997/1988

COE Ivy Death notice 18 Nov 1988 Death 97 late of Jurien Bay, WA Sydney Morning Herald 19 Nov 1988

31640/1895 Charles - married 12000/1921 PICKUP Hilda M - deaths 8801/1965 Charles COONAMBLE, 6479/1986 Hilda Mary
Headstone photo for Charles and wife: https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9755935#images

2559/1898 Jane I think she may be the Mrs J Smith mentioned in Rachel’s funeral notice, but I can’t find a marriage for her.

30841/1900 George W - marriage 12267/1920 WILLIAMS Eva

2532/1903 Noel - married 8119/1923 SCIFLEET Helen M - death 70458/1973 COONAMBLE
Headstone photos for Noel and wife: https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9755932#images https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9755931#images

22314/1905 Lerlie - married 15072/1926 GIBBESON Wilfred as Lurline at REDFERN - death 22035/1949 MARRICKVILLE - Death and funeral notices 1st and 5th columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27585226
At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
Luline Gibbeson 15-8-1949
UC - Uniting FM C, Position 190

22663/1953 GIBBESON Wilfred to MANNERS Marion Cleve ROCKDALE

GIBBESON Wilfred Death notice 10 Oct 2000 Death 95 late of Kingsgrove Sydney Morning Herald 11 Oct 2000
At Woronora Cemetery with wife:
Anglican Monumental - Section 4 - 1290
Wilfred Gibbeson 10-10-2000 4-5-2001 Ashes
Marian Gibbeson 18/04/2004 19/07/2004 Ashes

Marriages for the lads are just possibles, based on their ages and location.

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

I think this is Adelaide’s death: 18830/1941 Randwick, funeral notice 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17755201

At Rookwood: Adelaide Forrest
Date of Burial : 7 JUL 1941
Age : UNKNOWN
Plot : 14_Zone D/#/914

Adelaide is buried with a daughter I think.

From headstone inscription disc:

Anglican Section 14 Row 22 Grave 914
FORREST, Adelaide 04 Jul 1941 73
HARPER, Hilda 10 Apr 1934 48
Inscriptions: Wife of Edward, Our sister

Jamjar

[meme9]

Dear Jamjar, I am impressed! Thankyou so much. I have some of this info, but not all and I am grateful to you. All of these relatives are on my mothers maternal side. Im struggling to find much at all on the paternal side. I have Mona and David Chivers, whom you mention, and Davids parents Lucy Isobel Tollis and George Chivers, and siblings then am trying to follow the Chivers line back to England.
Jamjar you are amazing. Again many thanks.

[Jamjar]

You are most welcome, I’m happy to have something to keep the little grey cells firing.

Now the Chivers. I know you know but will post for reference:

Marriage: 8457/1906 CHIVERS George to TOLLIS Lucy I WATERLOO

Births:

41568/1907 George M - married 9569/1931 HAWTHORN Alice M - death 21185/1952 George Maxwell father as George CAMERON
Death and funeral notices for George Maxwell, 1st page, 1st and 4th columns: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19520906&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
At Rookwood Cemetery:

George M Chivers
Date of Burial: 4 SEP 1952
Age: 44
Plot: Presbyterian 5G_Zone A/#/574

Possibly his wife: CHIVERS Alice Maud Death notice 26 Sept 1992 Death 86 late of Girraween Sydney Morning Herald 28 Sept 1992

9692/1909 Alma I - married 23377/1940 GAMMIDGE Garnet Edward - death 19093/1976 father as a George
Death and funeral notices, 1st page, 2nd and 8th columns: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19760805&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Her husband’s death and funeral notices, 2nd and 9th columns: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19670920&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
A5D - Anglican FM 5D, Position 122
Garnet Edward Gammidge 19-9-1967
Alma Isobel Gammidge 6-8-1976

21342/1910 David J death 14721/1963 David John father as George MAXWELL

11283/1912 James R death 28677/1977 James Ronald father as George TARRANT

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
A33 - Anglican FM 33, Position 295
James Ronald Chivers 6-12-1977
Malcolm Chivers 9-9-1985

1009/1915 Jack E - married 15233/1938 LYON Janet - death 2999/1971 Jack Edward father as George TANNER
Death notice, 1st page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19710608&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

His wife: Janet Death notice 1 May 2006 Death 88 at Lark Ellen Nursing Home, formerly of Jannali St George & Sutherland Leader 4 May 2006

At Woronora Cemetery:
Ff - Rose Garden 18 - 0073
Jack Chivers 6–6-1971 Ashes
Janet Chivers 1-5-2006 6-7-2006 Ashes

Malcolm (as per George’s death notice) death 23562/1985 father as GEORGE CAMERON

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
A33 - Anglican FM 33, Position 295
James Ronald Chivers 6-12-1977
Malcolm Chivers 9-9-1985

Deaths:

667/1938 CHIVERS George parents JOHN FERRANT and MARGARET

Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17421207

25436/1959 CHIVERS Lucy Isobel parents EDWARD and EMMA

Death and funeral notices, 1st page, 1st and 6th columns: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19590915&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery
AA7 - Anglican FM A7, Position 7
George Chivers 5-1-1938
Lucy Isobel Chivers 5-9-1959

I think his birth:

10694/1882 CHIVERS George parents JOHN F and MARGARET GOULBURN

Marriage: 2838/1881 CHIVERS John to McDONALD Margaret GOULBURN

Death of Margaret: 6764/1889 CHIVERS Margaret parents DANIEL and JULIA

Funeral of Margaret, 6th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article98489756

I wonder if the F should be a T. A John T marries a Sophia in GOULBURN in 3776/1890

2440/1906 CHIVERS John T father WILLIAM at NEWTOWN

A John T is buried 1906, 2nd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14758309

At Rookwood Cemetery, wrongly transcribed:
John J. Chivers
Date of Burial: 12 MAR 1906
Age: 56
Plot: Methodist New 3B_Zone F/#/1096

There is a NSW probate for John T Chivers: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2TW-DS7M

I think George’s brother Donald died of the flu 1919.

What do you already have on them?

There are these UK births and a marriage:

Jun 1846 Highworth 8 583
CHIVERS William
TARRANT Eliza

CHIVERS, GEORGE mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1847  J Quarter in SWINDON AND HIGHWORTH  Volume 08  Page 336

CHIVERS, JOHN  TARRANT mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in HIGHWORTH & SWINDON  Volume 08  Page 337

CHIVERS, JAMES mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in ABINGDON  Volume 06  Page 147

CHIVERS, ELIZABETH mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in OXFORD  Volume 03A  Page 540

CHIVERS, ANN mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1855  J Quarter in READING  Volume 02C  Page 309

CHIVERS, WILLIAM mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in WALLINGFORD  Volume 02C  Page 298

CHIVERS, CAROLINE mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in ABINGDON  Volume 02C  Page 278

CHIVERS, ALICE mmn TARRANT 
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in ETON BUCKS  Volume 03A  Page 381

1851 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8R-X77

1861 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7JT-3T7

1871 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDB-QLP

Not sure about the 1881.

So, did he come to Australia between 1871 and 1881.

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

TOLLIS:

Marriage: 19/1812 V181219 7 TOLLIS Thomas to WATERS Ann CA 1358/1812 V18121358 3A TOLLIS Thomas to WATERS Ann CA

Deaths:

571/1821 V1821571 8 TOLLIS Thomas AGE 44 5168/1821 V18215168 2B TOLLIS Thomas AGE 44

484/1821 V1821484 8 TOLLIS Ann AGE 32 5034/1821 V18215034 2B TOLLIS Ann AGE 32

A notice re: the orphan children of Thomas TOLLIS, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2180398

Marriage: 971/1832 V1832971 16 TOLLIS Thomas to BARNETT Ann CA
Death: 4514/1880 TOLLIS Thomas parents THOMAS and ANN
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13465268
His wife: 6109/1885 TOLLIS Ann father WILLIAM
Her funeral notices, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13595479

At Rookwood Cemetery:
Thomas Tollis
Date of Burial: 4 AUG 1880
Age: UNKNOWN
Plot: BB_Zone B/#/22

Annie Tollis
Date of Burial:17 AUG 1885
Age: UNKNOWN
Plot: BB_Zone B/#/22

Thomas Tollis
Date of Burial: 1 JAN 1910
Age: UNKNOWN
Plot: BB_Zone B/#/21

Birth: 639/1844 V1844639 TOLLIS Edwin parents THOMAS and ANN (six siblings on NSWBDM)

Marriage: 529/1867 TOLLIS Edwin to CLARKE Emma SYDNEY

Deaths:

5526/1926 TOLLIS Emma parents JAMES and Sophia

Emma funeral notice, type 5 into small white box, 1st column: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19260409&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

12244/1926 TOLLIS Edwin parents THOMAS and ANN

TOLLIS Edwin Funeral notice 5 Aug 1926 Funeral late of Alexandria Sydney Morning Herald 5 Aug 1926

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
AA7 - Anglican FM A7, Position 5
Emma Tollis 9-4-1926
Edwin Tollis 5-8-1926

Births:

4498/1871 Sydney - married 9314/1900 ALLEN Ellen M - possible death 18754/1944 TOLLIS Sydney Edwin 72 YRS WESTERN DIV NEW ANGLEDOOL

18578/1928 TOLLIS Ellen M father EDWARD J 46YRS BALMAIN NORTH BALMAIN NORTH

In Memoriam, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16612547

At Rookwood Cemetery:

Ellen Tollis
Date of Burial: 24 Dec 1928
Age: UNKNOWN
Plot: FF_Zone B/#/670

6346/1878 Florence Louisa - married 4815/1905 FLETCHER Henry - death 12372/1959 father wrongly named as Stephen.

FLETCHER Florence Louise Obituary 9 April 1959 Death 82 late of Braidwood Goulburn Post 16 April 1959   

25774/1959 FLETCHER Henry Robert parents STEPHEN and ELIZABETH

At Braidwood Old General Cemetery:
Grave photos: https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=15628291#images
https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=15628290#images

7428/1880 Edward died 19122/1936

9206/1883 Esther Gertrude - married 7859/1903 SMITH Stephen E - death 12394/1957

SMITH Esther Gertrude Death notice 29 May 1957 Death 74 late of Sans Souci Sydney Morning Herald 1 June 1957

20851/1924 SMITH Stephen E parents STEPHEN H and MARGARET

Death notice for Stephen, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16207424
Funeral notice for Stephen, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16203416

At Woronora Cemetery:

Roman Catholic Monumental - Section 1 - 0195
Esther Smith 29-5-1957
Stephen Smith 15-12-1924
Stephen Smith 2-10-1964 (This is their son)

11189/1885 Lucy I

12580/1887 Oliver J died 1933/1963
At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
AA7 - Anglican FM A7, AA7 - Anglican FM A7, Position 7
Oliver James Tollis - ashes

36566/1890 Eliza A - married 5474/1916 ROBERTSON Leonard as Alma E - death 28989/1966 ROBERTSON Alma Eliza
ROBERTSON Alma Eliza Death notice 16 July Death 75 at Oatley Sydney Morning Herald 18 July 1966

109/1933 ROBERTSON Leonard parents HERBERT and ELIZABETH

A sad end for Leonard, 6th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article247103170

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
AA7 - Anglican FM A7, Position 6
Leonard Robertson 2-2-1933
Alma Eliza Robertson 19-7-1966

37075/1893 David J death 11665/1962

TOLLIS David John Death notice 3 May 1962 Death 69 late of Malabar Sydney Morning Herald 5 May 1962   

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
North Walls, Wall K, Position 126
David John Tollis 3-5-1962 20-7-1962