John Anderson b. 1846 Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland - was he in the Merchant Navy?

[helenjean]

I realise his name is a very common one, but I'm wondering if my great grandfather's eldest brother followed his father, also named John Anderson, Deep Sea Pilot, into the Merchant Navy.  I have found John Jnr in the 1851 & 1861 censuses, but nothing after that, except that his father registered his birth by sheriff's warrant in 1866, i.e. some 20 years after his birth  .  His mother's name was Elizabeth nee Milloy (her maiden surname is spelt about 8 different ways in the various records!) and on Family Search, I have found two deaths at sea of Merchant Marine servicemen named John Anderson with matching year of birth (1846), 17 Nov 1874 (aged 28) and 19 Oct 1886 (aged 40) and wondered if there was a way of checking these out: the reference ID given by FS is pt2sh1360pg106ln21. Any clues would be very much appreciated.    Helen

[ColC]

 UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910

John Anderson Age: 14 Registration or Indenture Date 29 Jun 1859
Port of Registry Greenock Vessel: Jas Stewart

Colin

[ColC]

Below might not be the same John but given the names of the children it may be worth researching?

1891 - 8 Cross Buildings, Old Kilpatrick, Clydebank, Dumbartonshire
Occupation: Shipwright

John Anderson    45   Greenock, Renfrewshire
Agnes Anderson    45   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Anderson    13   ditto
John Anderson    10   ditto

In 1881 Agnes and the two children above are at 261 Stirling Road, St Rollox Glasgow Macleod, Lanarkshire.

Agnes is noted as a carpenters wife. John not present.

Colin

[helenjean]

Many thanks for your input Colin:

I had already found the Apprenticeship Indenture reference on Ancestry, but I really don't know where to go with it next - presumably the National Archives - and I am not sure of the significance of the number (? 15448) shown between "Jas Stewart" and "Greenock" on the attached snip. Would the NA have any additional info such as parents' names etc? 

The Death at Sea on 17 Nov 1874 (from Family Search) had a reference ID 239,1375.

I did a preliminary search on SP for a marriage with an Agnes in/around the 1870s but the list returned was so long for likely parishes and even longer on Family Search, so it will be a very expensive exercise to check them all out 

This search has been so frustrating, as John Jnr is the only one of the eight children of John and Elizabeth that I can't find any definitive evidence of after the 1861 census...but as one of my genealogy newsletters says: "the reason why there is no genealogists anonymous is that no genealogist ever wants to give up!"

Cheers
Helen

[seaweed]

The number 15448 is the official number of the ship JAMES STEWART some of her crew agreements and logbooks are available from
 https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=15448.

The ones covering the year 1875 are at NMM Greenwich. You should be able to obtain  copies via
http://www.rmg.co.uk/national-maritime-museum/caird-library/crew-lists-agreements-official-logs-request-form

The ones for 1871 are at TNA Kew
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2478078

Crew agreements regards Apprentices may or may not give NOK.
If your man was born in 1846 I would be looking at 1869/1870 to 1873/1875