1871 AND POSSIBLE 1861 LOOKUP

[Nigel1959]

Can any one find any trace of a Walter Barnett in 1871 census, he would have to be at least 25 maybe a moulder and have a daughter called Alice.

Failing that he could be in 1861 as a young lad or more of at least 16

Thanks

Nigel

[Nigel1959]

can anybody help please

[cant rush]

hi do you have any more information

[Nigel1959]

Thanks for your offer

only other info is Alice could have been no more than 5 in 1871, so in theory Walter could have been 16 upwards at the time of her birth in 1865-66, also Alice could have been called Alice Mary.

When Alice got married she was living in Aston, and on the wed cert her father is down as Walter proffesion Moulder and does not say deceased

Thats all i am afraid

Nigel

[Nigel1959]

So no one can help then

[craggus]

Have you managed to locate Alice and Walter in the 1881 census?

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

Maybe Walter had died by the time of the wedding? I have had a couple of marriage certificates with the father name on them (and no DECEASED) even though he was dead at the time.

Maybe you could send for Alice birth certificate? This would give an address and place of birth, which might help you to locate her in the 1871 census.

Craggus 

[craggus]

Suppose Walter was not alive at the wedding....
This could be a potential match from the 1881 census (I'm not saying this is right, just speculating!)

Colin HAWKES Head 35   Redditch, Worcester, England   Labourer     
Jane HAWKES  Wife 46   Hereford, England   Laundress     
Kate HAWKES   Dau 10   Worcester, England   Scholar     
Florence HAWKES   Dau 5   Bham, Warwick, England   Scholar     
Emily Jane HAWKES   Dau 2   Bham, Warwick, England       
Annie E. BARGE   Step Dau 22   Ledbury, Hereford, England   Press Worker     
James BARNET   Step Son 16   Ledbury, Hereford, England   Plumber     
Alice Mary BARNET   Step Dau 14   Ledbury, Worcester, England   Nurse 

Colin Hawkes married Jane Barnett (nee Haynes) in Worcester, 21st May 1871. Is it possible that your Walter died before 1871, and that Alice's mother remarried? That may explain why no-one has been able to find a match for Walter - Alice in any of the census.

Just speculating 

[Nigel1959]

Craggus

Before i say anything else can you tell me how you found her in worcester, or was she the only one that showed up as that name ?

[craggus]

Hi Nigel,

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the 1881 census extract was taken in Birmingham, Warwickshire (not Worcester).

Firstly I searched the 1881 census for your Alice Mary Barnett, but without Walter in the household... the example above was the 'best fit' scenario. I then searched the IGI for a marriage between Colin Hawkes and Jane <blank> around about 1868-1871 (to coincide with the birth of the first "Hawkes" child, born ~1871). The only marriage I found was I listed above, between Colin Hawkes and Jane Barnett (nee Hayes). This seemed very promising as the Barnett surname matched, it gave an alternative surname (meaning she had probably remarried) AND it was in Worcester (and we know they were in Worcester in 1871 at the birth of  Kate)... they were also living in Warwick in 1881, which matches the marriage place you have.

Like I say, this may not be your Alice Mary Barnett (although there is a good chance)... I just wanted to open up the possibility that Walter was not alive at the time of Alice wedding.

Craggus