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Re: Blind or Deceased? Opinions Sought Please
« Reply #54 on: Saturday 28 May 16 23:41 BST (UK) »
Myth no 2 on this link might help answer http://dealer042.wix.com/post-mortem-photos#!myth/cee5
apparently it's not possible to stand up even a child...
This is really an education, i had utterly no idea!

Thank you for this, jcjc123. I've seen so much speculation online about this topic.

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Josephine, this "myth" is untrue. As I mentioned at reply #24 googling will throw up numerous images of adults being supported by (visible) stands.

Although tempting, I think we should refrain from getting into a slanging match with Scouseboy as this has been an fascinating educational discussion with some interesting opinions and observations. I think ignoring his comments is the best approach.

There may be others who wish to contribute to the topic, so it would be a shame if it were locked due to one person stirring the pot.

PS. Well said Groom and  GS and others - common sense and good reason prevails I think. :)

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Re: Blind or Deceased? Opinions Sought Please
« Reply #55 on: Sunday 29 May 16 01:47 BST (UK) »

I seek only to understand and learn from their experiences through a shared experience....otherwise why are we here doing what we do if not to gain a greater understanding of the lives of our ancestors.

Carol

Exactly, if it wasn't for these forums and other websites, how else would we glean information of our ancestors.   I am not offended about this thread, I didn't know anything about PM photos until I joined RC and followed the thread about them a few years ago.

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« Reply #56 on: Sunday 29 May 16 02:03 BST (UK) »
Ditto KHP!
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« Reply #57 on: Sunday 29 May 16 10:29 BST (UK) »
The more I study this photo the more I see, I think the little ones mouth doesnt look right & is it a mark on the photo or does she have a very wide parting in her hair.


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« Reply #58 on: Sunday 29 May 16 11:02 BST (UK) »
I wondered about the part in her hair too starcat.

It is amazing how much more you notice each time you look at this.

Fascinating photograph ...

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« Reply #59 on: Sunday 29 May 16 11:59 BST (UK) »
I have not joined in on this topic until now, but I believe by discussing these issues we get a much broader sense of what we now call injustices, but in Victorian times were accepted practices.
Should we not discuss children been sent up chimneys, or working in the mines crawling along on their hands and knees dragging wagons of coal behind them. Perhaps we should not read Charles Dickens books, because he wrote about things we find abhorrent now.
 These things did happen, as did taking photos like the one we are discussing.  If we talk about them we learn about our past as many people will have ancestors who had to suffer all this and more.  At least one person at the beginning of this thread could not believe that post mortem photos were ever taken, but they were and I have one in my family album to prove it.
 I think most people will agree that this particular photo is of siblings one of which is either dead or perhaps disabled.  We take photos of disabled people today which we see all the time, but fortunately not too many post mortem photos are taken now. and they would never be publicly shown.
I do think these photos from Victorian times should be discussed, it is all part of our ancestry, part of the way of life as it was then.  I wonder what people in one hundred years time will be discussing about our photos?
Just to add, I really think the poor child is deceased.
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« Reply #60 on: Sunday 29 May 16 18:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your very informative responses, support and for your interest.  That is a very reasoned argument Pat and one that I wholeheartedly agree with. How can we appreciate the present without understanding of the past.

In today's society...Parents of an infant death can spend time in a prepared cold room with their baby and take precious photos, but we just don't call them PM photos today, but the principal is the same.

I don't think Parents should be deprived of their precious memories, it's just that time and changing attitudes have now acknowledged the value of the parent's need to have time with their baby before they are parted forever, this helps them through the grieving process in the same way that parents in Victorian times did.

I am so pleased that this post as enlightened people into this aspect of Victorian life.

For all the lost Babies and Children....RIP x

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« Reply #61 on: Monday 30 May 16 20:50 BST (UK) »
Catching up with this thread, I agree that the discussion has been respectful and is interesting in terms of the changes in attitude to death and bereavement generally since Victorian times.

I agree that the child on the right does look odd.  It could indeed be that he/she is disabled in some way, but I am inclined - given the curtain positioning - to agree that it could be a post mortem picture.

I feel very sad for the little girl on the left, who is bidding farewell to her sibling - but with her smile is also perhaps reflecting happier times.
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« Reply #62 on: Monday 30 May 16 22:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Igor...thanks for your response, I'm pleased that you found it interesting and informative.

I remember when I was about four years old going to see my two year cousin laid out out in her coffin dressed in a white dress with a garland of flowers in her her....I was lifted up and told to kiss her and say goodbye. It seemed normal at the time but it wouldn't be acceptable today.
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