Alice Jones Dolgelly

[Mabel Bagshawe]

think I;ve identified John Richards - b c1860 (or 1866 on 1911), son of Robert and Hannah. 1901 he is with his parents in Meyrick St, a widower with two sons, 1891 with wife Anne and son Robert

1901
    
Robert Richards    63
Hannah Richards    67
John Richards    40
Richard O Richards    13 - grandson
Robert Richards    12 - grandson
William Jones    39 - visitor
Richard Lewis    39 - visitor

RG13, 5254, 40, 9



He appears to have had a little problem with fishing out of season in 1905 (see under Dolgelly)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3409168/3409173/44/

there's a similar story in 1886 in Welsh (caught twice in a few months)

and a punch up in 1909

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3411333/3411338/31/

[Mabel Bagshawe]

You mentioned Alice's son David - he's in the papers a few times for his service in WWI. he joined up in 1914 and had home leave in both June 1917 (when referred to as Dafydd) and Oct 1918.

To help follow Alice back there's also mention of

Isaac David Jones - died 1918 aged 41, son of Dafydd and Dorothy Jones, Well St, who lived with his sister Alice Richards

Corporal David Jones Edwards, grandson of David and Dorothy Jones, Well St, who died in France in 1918, having been in the army for 20 years. the news was received by Alice Richards


Here they are in 1881 - confusingly despite the newspaper reports, their mother appears to be called Catherine in all censuses and Isaac is with his widowed mother in 1901

David Jones    48 - hawker, b Ruthin
Catherine Jones    42 - b Newtown
William Jones    19
Evan Jones    16
Mary Jane Jones    14
Alice Jones    10
Charlot E. Jones    7
Isaac Jones    5
David Jones    2 - grandson

RG11, 5546, 54, 2

[Dolgellau]

Alice Jones was my great, great aunt. I am a bit pushed for time at the moment, but will send you a more enlightening message about her latter on this evening.

Regards

Alwyn

[Jones123]

Hello Alwyn

I am intrigued by your message, when you have time I would be pleased to hear from you.

Best wishes
Linda Jones

[Dolgellau]

Alice Jones b: 1870 in Dolgellau,
Children (all illigitimate, as far as I know):
Evan Jones (1893 - ) b: 1893 in Dolgellau
Caroline Jones (1895 - ) b: 1895 in Dolgellau
David Jones (1898 - ) b: 1898 in Dolgellau,
Sarah (Sally) Jones (1900 - ) b: 1900 in Dolgellau
John R Jones (1906 - ) b: 1906 in Dolgellau
Dorothy Emily Jones (1907 - ) b: 1907 in Dolgellau
William Edwin Jones (1909 - ) b: 1909 in Dolgellau
Meirion Richards Jones (1911 - ) b: 1911 in Dolgellau
Meirion Richards (about 1911 - ) b: Abt. 1911 in Dolgellau

Father:
David Jones (1834 - 1894) b: 1834 in Star, Pembrokeshire, d: 22 Dec 1894 in Dolgellau
Mother:
Catherine Jones (née Jones) (1835 - 1905) b: 1835 in Newtown, Montgomeryshire,  m: 13 Oct 1855 in Registry Office, Dolgellau d: 23 Feb 1905 in Dolgellau, Merionethshire
Paternal Grandparents:
William Jones  d: Bef. 1839
Dorothy Roberts (1802 - 1873) b: 1802 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, d: 30 Sep 1873 in Dolgellau
Maternal grandparents
 Evan Jones (between 1812 and 1816 - ) b: Bet. 1812–1816 in Pontesbury, Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Morris (1817 - before 1861) b: 1817 in Carmarthenshire, Wales, d: Bef. 1861 in Cemmaes, Montgomeryshire, Wales

[Dolgellau]

David Jone's Grave Stone

[Dolgellau]

Alice's ancestor's were hawkers, travelling sales people, selling pots, pans and earthenware in fairs and door to door (this explains why her father was born in Pembrokeshire to a mother from Denbighshire). Family tradition says that her mother's side of the family were Romany Gipsies, but I haven't found any evidence to back that up yet

[Jones123]

Many thanks for the information.

I am still waiting for the copy of the Birth Certificate for David Jones (1898 - ) b: 1898 in Dolgellau, to arrive as I think this is my paternal grandfather, who came to Bristol in his 20's and remained here.  If this is the case then all the information you have given me will be extremely useful.

Again, thank you for your help.

Linda

[Dolgellau]

Jones in Wales is a pain in the proverbial, it is the 2nd most common name in the UK, mainly because it's so common in Wales, but is a problem because it's not a proper Welsh name, but a translation of Ifan, Ieuan, Iwan or Siôn, so a person called John Jones in one census may well be called Evan Evans in the next, or John Evans or Evan Jones.

I will be interested in seeing the result of your Birth Cert search, even if it dismisses our common ancestry, it will, at least, be another to strike off the list!