Sarah Goves

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Eliza Ann Bates - baptised Halifax Oct 23 1846. parents James and Mary Ann

James is a soldier in HM 33rd regiment  infantry!

[keyboard86]

Hi all,  Baptism Sarah Bates 23rd February 1842 Wrexham Father James occ Sergeant of 33rd of Foot Mother Mary Ann
Keyboard86

[lizdb]

1871
Barracks, Whitehaven
James B Waterfall  58 widower, Hospital serj in Cumberland Militia bn Derbyshire Belper
John J Waterfall 13 Gentlemans servan bn Whitehaven
Henrietta 18 dressmaker bn Lancashire Salford


Death
Oct/Nov/Dec 1847
Whitehaven
10b 379
Mary Ann B Waterfall
age 46

1881
Michael Str Whitehaven
John J Bates 23 Printer compositor bn Whitehaven
Margaret 23 wife bn Carlisle
James Waterfall 68 Widower Chelsea Pensioner bn Derbyshire Belper

James Waterfall died 1886

[trish1120]

James Bates Waterfall
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth: 1813 Derbyshire
pension:United Kingdom

[keyboard86]

Hi again, the Service Record of James Bates Waterfall is on FindMyPast b BILPER 1813
Interesting reading!

A possible for James/Mary in 1841 Census :-

In a mixed household, James Waterfall 25 occ Army Not born in County
Mary Waterfall 20 Not born in County
Residing Northgate Street, Boughton Great, Cheshire
Census ref HO107/130/ 10/12 / 18
Keyboard86

[cp]

I am just doing a quick reply to thank you all for helping with this. I am work at the moment so have not got my files with me but I just wanted to make sure you all know how grateful I am.

It would appear that James was James Bates Waterfall and his surname was interchangeable?  He chose to register his children as Bates but list them on  the census return as Waterfall.

The other curious thing is if the death of of Sarah that lizdb found is correct then some of his children had a different mother as they were born after 1847?

I have just taken a months subscription for FindMyPast and seen the army record for James, looks like he enjoyed a wee dram keyboard86,  but at least it does show his full name.

Thanks again to all your time

[keyboard86]

Hi again,  I think you will find the death of Mary Ann B Waterfall was 1867 not 1847!
Keyboard86

[trish1120]

Marriage Reg,
Dec 1839, Settle, 23 547
James BATES and Mary Ann JOHNSON on same page

From Familysearch.Org;
Mariage 28 October 1839, Clapham, Yorkshire
James Bates to Mary Ann Johnson

Now I think the M/C is a must if you want to go back any further with Benjamin.

As for Mary Ann, possible;
MARY ANN Johnson Christened 11 May 1820, Greystoke, Cumberland
Parents RALPH/ANN
Siblings;
ELEANOR, 18 May 1811
JANE, 10 March 1813, Buried 20 Jan 1820
JOHN, 14 March 1818
JUDITH, 29 June 1823

Eleanors has Mothers name as Ann TODD, which leads to this Child Christened Skelton to Ralph/Ann Johnson/e nee Todd;
GEORGE, 22 March 1808

Marriage;
8 June 1807, Greystoke, Ralph JOHNSTONE to Ann TODD

The reason I chose this one is that keyboard86 found a 1841 Census for James/Mary Waterfall in Cheshire.

1841 Census has a JUDITH Johnson, Servant, age 20, living in Stockport, Cheshire.
She is not born in County.

Also John Johnson 1818 Greystoke is Widowed and living in Durham in 1851. His Children are born Northumberland.

Worth noting if M/C has Mary Ann Father as Ralph

[cp]

Thanks keyboard86 you are quite correct about the death year ...phew.

Thank you so much trish1120 for all this research ...I will start ordering certs, just don'the tell the hubby :-)