Help working backwards from marriage of James McKinley & Ann Nicholl in 1891

[rayharris185]

James & Ann were married at St Malachy's R.C. in Belfast on 9 Jan 1891.
James address shown as 23 West St., Newtonards - parents James McKinley & Mary Jane Murphy
Ann's address was 15 Grace Street - parents Samuel Nicholl & Elizabeth Scullion
Unable to locate birth record for either James or Ann, and no information regarding their parents
This is the first time I have looked for Irish records and to be honest with very little success. I do know both James and Ann died in Whitehaven, Cumberland in 1919 and 1913 respectively.
Any help would be very much appreciated

[rosie99]

You don't give their ages, could this be Ann (Hannah) from familysearch   

Hannah Nicholl
Birth Date    23 Sep 1869
Birthplace    Armagh, Ireland
Father   Samuel Nicholl
Mother   Eliza Scullion
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   C01209-9

[rosie99]

Hi

Thank you for the PM. 

Anns age on the 1913 death registration index shows as 43 (born c1870) which would tie in with that baptism

[aghadowey]

You don't give their ages, could this be Ann (Hannah) from familysearch   

Hannah Nicholl
Birth Date    23 Sep 1869
Birthplace    Armagh, Ireland
Father   Samuel Nicholl
Mother   Eliza Scullion
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   C01209-9

That's actually an extracted birth rather than baptism-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPX4-V2P

[Ladyhawk]

Is this James (1861) & Annie  (1865) McKinley living in Ireland 1901 with children
Joseph 9 & Elizabeth 5?

James' place of birth given as Glasgow, occ Stonecutter

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newtownards_Urban/Robert_Street/1259799/

You can search 1901/1911 census for Ireland http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

[Ladyhawk]

You don't give their ages, could this be Ann (Hannah) from familysearch   

Hannah Nicholl
Birth Date    23 Sep 1869
Birthplace    Armagh, Ireland
Father   Samuel Nicholl
Mother   Eliza Scullion
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   C01209-9

That's actually an extracted birth rather than baptism-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPX4-V2P

 Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915

Hannah Nichol Baptism 26 Sep 1869 St Malachy's, Belfast city, Antrim, Ireland
Diocese:   Down and Connor
Father:   Sam Nichol Mother Eliza Scullion
Sponsor/s Mary E Thompson

also the same place, same parents

Mary Nichol 7 ? ? ,
sponsors Patrick Scullion & Eliza Nichol

Catharine Nichol 14 April 1867
sponsors John Nichol & ? Hel??
Details From Registry of Catholic Baptisms, Belfast

another possible baptism but a different place

Samuel Nichol Bpt.   27 Sep 1854 St Patrick's, Belfast city, Antrim, Ireland Diocese:Down & Connor
Father:   Sam Nichol Mother:   Eliza Scullin
Sponsor/s Mary Scullin

Robert Nicholl Baptism 16 May 1846 same placed same parents no sponsors named

[Ladyhawk]

James address shown as 23 West St., Newtonards -
parents James McKinley & Mary Jane Murphy

Unable to locate birth record for either James

I can't find anything for James McKinley on  Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
on Ancestry

I don't know if there's a connection here but there is this entry on family search for a
Hugh McKinley https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR9P-ZJW
parents James & Mary Jane Murphey and on Ancestry can't view the original entry
there's only an index 

Hugh McKinley Birth Date: 7 Jun 1867 Newtown Ards, Down, Ireland
Father: James McKinley Mother:   Mary Jane Murphey

For info.

Hugh's on the 1901 census living at Sheerness Garrison, Kent with his wife & daughter
RG13; Piece: 816; Folio: 90; Page: 26

Hugh McKinley 32 Newtonards, Ireland Gunner Royal Artillary
Florence A 24
Dorothy Rose 7 mths Sheerness, Kent,

Dorothy Rose McKinley age 92 born   25 Sep 1900
death Oct 1992 Swale Kent Volume: 16 Page:   1638

[Ladyhawk]

Marriage   Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
21 Jul 1845 St Patrick's, Belfast city, Antrim, Ireland Diocese:   Down and Connor
Saml Nicholl to Eliza Scullion, no other details from Catholic Registery of Marriages Belfast

Marriage
St Peter Belfast City Antrim 25 Dec 1871
John Nichol, Grace Street parents Samuel & Eliza Scullion, Grace Street
Agnes Magee Brad? Parents Peter & Eliza Magee, B?

[aghadowey]

James address shown as 23 West St., Newtonards -
parents James McKinley & Mary Jane Murphy
Unable to locate birth record for either James

I can't find anything for James McKinley on  Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
on Ancestry
...

1901 census posted earlier says James McKinley born Glasgow-

Is this James (1861) & Annie  (1865) McKinley living in Ireland 1901 with children
Joseph 9 & Elizabeth 5?
James' place of birth given as Glasgow, occ Stonecutter
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newtownards_Urban/Robert_Street/1259799/
You can search 1901/1911 census for Ireland http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/