Still birth records. ???

[jupiter1]

Refer "Dawnsh" above
        Over the past 28 years or more I have been trying to find this Vickie who would have been an Aunt to me.
In doing so I have followed many erroneous paths hence the links shown above by Dawnsh.
I thank Dawnsh for her help on those occasions but make no apology for them to others !
 
DIVORCE
   An academic Roy Stockton investigated a number of cases of bigamy in Victorian times, and had articles published on the subject, he believed that bigamous marriages were far more common in those days than is generally believed. The reason was that most ordinary people couldn't afford otherwise.

An extract from his articles follows…..   
   Until 1858 it was only possible to get a divorce by bringing a private Act of Parliament. And for many years after that one had to be pretty well- heeled.    Divorce didn't become more easily accessible for ordinary people until the late 1920s when legal aid came in. But even then there was a period of    waiting between what was called the decree nisi and the degree absolute, during which time the authorities investigated and if there was any suggestion of collusion between the parties, then the divorce was rescinded.
"End extract"

I have searched the divorce records. There is no record of Lillie or  Alfred Ernest ever getting a divorce.
I have all the BDM records for this side of my family along with the appropriate BDM certs.

Local burial records appear to be my last chance of finding this girls records  but so far I have made no progress with searching them.

There is a very intriguing story behind this Vickie and her family which only came to light on my maternal Grnd. Father's death. It is important to me for this reason if none other.

[Guy Etchells]

Refer "Dawnsh" above
        Over the past 28 years or more I have been trying to find this Vickie who would have been an Aunt to me.
In doing so I have followed many erroneous paths hence the links shown above by Dawnsh.
I thank Dawnsh for her help on those occasions but make no apology for them to others !

Good to see this is your attitude, it makes deciding not to bother helping far easier.

You start a thread with a title Still birth records but we later find out in another thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=485988 you already have photographs of the person possibly still born.

You then insult those who have tried to help by trying ascertaining what you know or what you may have assumed with the words “I thank Dawnsh for her help on those occasions but make no apology for them to others !”

 You also claim Lillie CONNAH and William Henry FLEMING were a bigamously married couple but agree the 1919 marriage ref I gave is for them.
That means for the period up until 1919 the were not a bigamously married couple as the law stands in England for Lillie CONNAH and William Henry FLEMING to be in a bigamous marriage she would have to have know for the previous seven years either he was in the UK and still alive or he was overseas where he could be alive or dead when they married but you claim (in http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hlo/ ) he was dead in 1919.
That means the marriage was not bigamous.

Cheers
Guy

[dawnsh]

Jupiter1

I didn't print the list of previous topics to admonish you but to show the others willing to help that we have covered these scenarios before and nothing in the way of new information is brought to the forum. Your response to that was not in the spirit of Rootschat when you are asking for our help.

I have briefly reviewed all 92 of your previous posts to see if there is anything that may have been missed before or perhaps anything that has become available online since.

I realise that you are posting here with the knowledge that some of your family members may be watching your topics.

In fact a family member did try to correspond with you online here in 2012

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599638.msg4708941#msg4708941

looking at the rest of the topic you didn't acknowledge their correspondence openly, maybe you already knew of them and corresponded privately, we can't tell.

Is there any chance that the child mentioned in reply #23 as Cissie is Vickie? You haven't mentioned what happened to her or her sibling Ruth.

You also mention you have a photo of the elusive missing child, you haven't posted that here so we are unable to give an opinion as to her age at the time of the photo and the date of the photo.

On a previous topic you posted a photo of a lady wearing clothes which eventually pre-dated your perception ie WW1 instead of WW2.

I realise that you may be frustrated by being so far away from London and look to chatters here for help. It is however a well known fact that you can't do everything on the internet. For example:

Lillie and Alfred may have separated and obtained a decree nisi but never made it absolute, there would be no record of this.

The church where Lillie and Alfred married in 1905 was destroyed during WW2 along with the registers 1872-1931 so any chance of finding baptisms there are long gone.

There are very few churchyard burials in London after 1855, you would need to contact all the cemeteries in the area to see if there is a burial but without a date of birth, death or exact name, the chances of an entry being located is small. Only a small percentage of municipal cemetery burials for London and its environs are online at www.deceasedonline.com but the number does grow occasionally.

You say that you have looked for a divorce. It would appear that Lillie certainly portrayed herself as a widow in 1919 but used her maiden surname on her marriage cert?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599638.msg4493130#msg4493130

that topic was to establish the death of her 1st husband, did you ever purchase the 1943 death certificate following on from replies 11, 12 & 18 (I can't tell). If you didn't then a look at the 1939 register for the address mentioned may help you resolve the issue.

As one who trys to help, the lack of links back to previous topics is frustrating when it is announced/discovered that what we are posting isn't 'new' and known to you.

As to resolving issues of long standing, I had one from 2000 until 2015 when the asylum indexes went online and discovered by chance more than anything else that my person of interest had died, the death was registered with a variant spelling and in a district that the family had no links to so had been overlooked as a potential.