Northern Counties Hotel, Derry, employee records circa 1910-1918.

[margymore]

Hi I was wondering if anyone knew of any employee records relating to the Northern Counties Hotel in derry, run by a Mrs Gibson at Shipquay place.

I have a Kathleen J Doherty employed as a barmaid there in 1911 census. Hard to confirm her in 1901 census, there are too many possibles. I have no birth date or death date.  So was following the possibility that employement records existed. Or photos of employees (I should be so lucky!)

I have a marriage record for Kathleen Josephine Doherty:
9/10/1913 at Gt James St. Presbyterian church, Derry.
William Hagan, full age, clerk, Residence, Derry, bachelor,
Father: John James Hagan, occupation: clerk.
Kathleen Doherty, full age, Residence, Derry, spinster,
Father: Patrick Doherty, Police man.
Witnesses: EM or K Hegan & E W Arbuckle

Also have 2 children to this couple, 1913 & 1914 but no leads as to what happened Kathleen Doherty afterwards.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

[aghadowey]

You could try PRONI's e-catalogue to see if any records exist. Also maybe ask the Derry Genealogical Centre & Derry Library for advice.
http://www.uahs.org.uk/built-heritage-at-risk-register-northern-ireland/buildings-at-risk-success-stories/northern-counties-hotel/

However, the 1911 entry for Kathleen J. O'Doherty shows she is Catholic and thus not as likely to marry in a Presbyterian Church (although not impossible)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/Shipquay_Place/601674

Are you trying to work backwards (and also forwards) from that 1913 marriage?

[aghadowey]

The witness on marriage certificate you seem unsure about is likely to be William's sister Elizabeth Maud.

You seem to be missing both William & Kathleen after 1915 according to your other posts. Do you know where the 2 sons were after that date?
Herbert William Hagan born 25 Mar.1914
Francis Hector Hegan born 4 May 1915

At least 2 online trees list William's second marriage c1920/21 in Dublin to Charlotte Smith. If this is correct it should give his marrital status and narrow down when Kathleen died.

[margymore]

HI Aghadowey
yes this is the same family. Found William after 1915, remarried living in Bangor direction. i am still searching for my grandmother. Kathleen Josephine Doherty. 
The boys were raised by their granny in Derry. (Fathers mother)  William appears to have remarried and had a new family, however there has never been a marriage record found to that effect.  It is possible they were not married legally.  So in the absence of a marriage record of any kind, it is possible Kathleen was still alive.  So it widens the year of death range for Kathleen.

Those trees online, one is mine, the other is the "new family".  Whom I have been in touch with and they do not have any marriage records for Willliam &  Charlotte Smith, c1920/21 in Dublin.  It is what they were told growing up, and that the marriage and childrens birth records were destroyed in fires.

[margymore]

Hi Aghadowey,
"However, the 1911 entry for Kathleen J. O'Doherty shows she is Catholic and thus not as likely to marry in a Presbyterian Church (although not impossible)-"
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/Shipquay_Place/601674"

"Are you trying to work backwards (and also forwards) from that 1913 marriage?"

I am working both directions. the marriage record threw me too when it was in a presbyterian church, but I have had to widen the search to include Catholic and O'Doherty and all variations of Kate, Catharine etc etc.

That census of 1911 shipquay place barmaid, is the one I am following, but I cannot place her in the 1901 census, too many possibles. 

[aghadowey]

Wondering about this Kathleen Doherty in 1901 (grandfather is Patrick but not a policeman)- the one working as barmaid in 1911 might have added a few years to her age?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/Marlborough_Street/1535228