Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM

[millymcb]

But definitely discount your Markesky theory.
 
Milly

[Chatwood2016]

Yes, MARKESKY definitely not a connection. 

[millymcb]

There is also this alternative one to follow up
Mar 1888 Wolverhampton    6b   619
Mary Harriet   CLEE        
 


Milly

[Chatwood2016]

Will check her out - thanks for the heads up

[jorose]

On Nora Eileen's birth certificate, who was the informant?
What was the address of birth, and the address of informant? (May be the same when the informant is the mother).

Dorothy Mottram who was sailing to Canada in 1920 is not the same girl as the Doris you found - entry form into Canada shows she was born Toronto:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hjw/
Mrs A Mottram was born Cheshire, and had been in Canada since 1910 (find this entry by going to page 4518 on above link)

Something that might be of interest - Agnes Clee m. Edgar Hutton in 1930 in Middlesborough, also Agnes Hutton d. 1940 there aged 50.
Also Ivy Mottram married in Middlesborough 1928 to John T Owens  (two children on indexes, Ivy possibly died in Yorkshire, 1964 aged 58)

Agnes and her daughter Ivy?

There are other possible Ivy Mottram births of a similar age but the others seem to line up with marriages in their areas of birth:
Ivy b. Nottingham 1905 - probably the 1925 Nottingham marriage
Ivy b. Macclesfield 1906  - probably the 1925 Macclesfield marriage
Ivy b. Nantwich 1908 - probably the 1932 Nantwich marraige

[Chatwood2016]

Hello jorose

Thanks for explaining the passengers - I'll rule them out of the running. 

Agnes Mottram was the informant on Nora's birth certificate. 

Thanks for the BMD information.  I had previously looked at them, but it's hard to know if they are the right ones!  I guess the best idea is to start with the Ivy MOTTRAM marriage to see if her father is Arthur.  Will think about Making an application for it and if that pans out, applying for the Agnes CLEE marriage certificate.  Thanks so. I have for your help.

Julie

[Chatwood2016]

Hi again

Just checked on the 1939 Register and the Agnes who married Edgar Hutton is recorded and born 1901, so definitely not 'my' Agnes.  Ivy Mottrom married to John T Owens is a possibility, as she was born December quarter 1908, and Ivy Owens birthday is recorded on the 1939 Register as born November 14 1908, she also has a daughter Eileen, which could be coincidence or an homage to her sister.   Could just be me being hopeful.  Perhaps it's best I apply for Ivy's birth certificate.

Julie

[Thepurplepanther]

Hello,

I came across this forum, while looking for more information regarding my Great-grandmother Agnes CLEE. My surname is Mottram, im afraid I have little to share at this stage but im hoping to learn more about her and Arthur.