Philip Cannon, fishmonger

[PENCAN]

Hello,
 l'm researching a CANNON family, and have got as far as the marriage cert. for THOMAS CANNON & ANN NORRIS in the Parish of St. Paul, Deptford 21st sept. 1846. lt has Thomas's father down as PHILIP CANNON, a fishmonger. Looking for Philip Cannon, all l've been able to find, is in the U.K. Merchant Seamen Records, 1835-1941. . . . PHLIP CANUNN, Military Service, b. Galway 1798. Long shot, but could this Philip have ended up living in Deptford? He would have been 48 at Thomas's wedding if it is him. Thing is l can't find him anywhere on any Census etc. Could anyone help please, thanks.

[CaroleW]

Hi

Although Thomas married in London - where and when was he born?

[PENCAN]

Hello CaroleW,
 
 Thanks for your quick reply. l've spent some time on and off, looking and not getting past the 'brick wall'. Picking it up again recently and still nothing, l posted my post last night. Having another try just now, Sods' law!  lt looks like l was looking in the wrong direction and now have a few things l need to work out. l had Thomas born in Deptford where he married Ann, but have now found one who was born in Colchester, but moved to Deptford. His father is PHILIP CANNON born about 1786 in Essex. Thing is, Thomas married Ann Norris in Deptford, but it appears that 3 years later, as a widow he married Margaret Stratton Whitaker, also in Deptford. there is a query about a son Thomas, l need to work out which one is his mother, but that will have to wait until tomorrow now [it's getting late!] Anyway, thanks again for your time, sorry to have bothered you.

[jomcd967]

1841 - Magdalen Street, St Mary Magdalen, Colchester, Essex, England
Phillip Cannon, 60, fishmonger, born Ireland
Ann Cannon, 60, born Ireland
Jane Cannon, 17, born Essex
Betsy Cannon, 4, born Essex

Philip Cannon, baptised 16 May 1819, St Mary Colchester, Essex to Philip and Ann, but can't see a baptism for Jane or Thomas  .

Jo 

[jomcd967]

Two baptisms for young Thomas?
Thomas s/o Thomas and Ann of Bramfield Place, fishmonger, baptised 9 Jan 1848, at St Paul Deptford, no birth date given.

Thomas Cannon s/o Thomas and Ann of Bramfield Place, labourer, baptised 14 Dec 1847 at St Paul Deptford, born 4 Dec 1847.
Jo 

[PENCAN]

  Hello jomcd967,
Thanks for your help and sorry for the delay in replying, but l'm still trying to work out the info l had and what you have found. Philip had a son Thomas b. 1822, who had Thomas b. 1845, who had Thomas b.1978, and l've got a bit mixed up with them. l know that Thomas 1845 was born in Deptford, but it looks like his dad, Thomas 1822 was born Colchester. This Thomas had a brother William b. 1820 and their father was Philip b. 1786, but all born in Colchester. Their mother was Jane b. 1786 in Colchester. Thing is the 1841C family you found fits in, the siblings would be:- Philip b. 1819, William b. 1820, Thomas b. 1822 and Jane 1824. The eldest son and daughter usually took their parents Christian names which also fits. But the 1841C mothers' name is Ann, and she and Philip are both born in Ireland. There's also the daughter Betsy b. 1837. Jane would have been 55 when she had her and Ann would have been 56. Maybe Betsy was a granddaughter.  Thanks again for your help, it's given me more to look at. l will follow the new threads to see if l can sort this out.     

[Dundee]

His father is PHILIP CANNON born about 1786 in Essex.

Where are you seeing a record of Philip CANNON born in Essex?

Their mother was Jane b. 1786 in Colchester.

Where are you seeing this?

Debra 

[Annette7]

I'm with Dundee!   

1. Philip Cannon, fishmonger was born in Ireland, not Essex - his burial was at St. Mary Magdalen, Colchester on 25/4/1847 and shows he was born ca.1784.

2. I can find no evidence at all that he was married to a Jane - everything points to the fact his wife was the Ann who he is with in 1841.

I do believe you've got yourself into a muddle one way and another.

Philip and Ann appear to have had a number of children who were all baptised at St. Leonard, Colchester between 1804 and 1819 - there are corruptions of the surname but I firmly believe they are all the one family:

Charles Canning bp.15/7/1804 - later on census his name is confirmed as Cannon.
James Camon bp.1/6/1806 - is Cannon in census
John Cannun bp.3/4/1808
Catherine Canning bp.29/7/1810 bur.19/1/1814 (as Canham)
Ann Canning bp.4/7/1813 (died?)
Catherine Canham bp.13/11/1814
Ann Canham bp.5/4/1817
Philip Cannon bp.16/5/1819 - but bur.as Canning 18/10/1821 St. Mary Magdalen, Colchester.
then you say
William bc.1820
Thomas bc.1822
Jane bc.1824

St. Leonard, Colchester baptisms appear on familysearch after 1819 but no more children of Philip baptised there.

However, since they are living in St. Mary Magdalen parish, Colchester by 1841 it more than possible the other 3 children were baptised there but alas, records not online.   Certainly, son Philip baptised at St. Leonards but buried St. Magdalen so looks like family moved there around 1820. Sure you could access via SEAX though you have to pay a fee for access.

Philip as said already died in 1847 but Ann didn't die until 1862 - bur.7/12/1862 St. Mary Magdalen, Colchester - bc.1780.

1851/1861 census shows that Ann Cannon was born in Cummer, Ireland - I believe this is in Galway.   The 'Betsy' Cannon in 1841 is with Ann in 1851 and shown as Elizabeth, grand-daughter.

I suspect that Philip and Ann married in Ireland and then came straight over to Essex.

What made you think Philips wife was named Jane?   There is nothing at all to substantiate this.   A Jane Cannon died in Colchester in 1849 but suspect this is Philip's daughter.

Annette

[PENCAN]

Hello All,
 Yes Annette, l have got myself in a complete muddle on this one! The info l have came from Ancestry:- Philip Cannon b. abt. 1786, Essex.
                Jane Cannon  b. abt. 1786, Essex.
                birth of son William Cannon, abt. 1820, Essex.
                birth of son Thomas Cannon, 1822, Colchester, Essex.
                death of wife Jane Cannon, Colchester, april 1849 aged 63.

Looking at all the baptisms you found, l am wondering now if it's possible, looking at the variations on the Cannon surname [5], wether Ann and Jane could be the same person?  l've just had a look on Family Search and notice that they too have John b. 1808, but their info has:
   Philip Canning, father
   Wife Kitty.
   Son John b. 3rd april 1808
   St. Leonard, Colchester, Essex.
Could Ann, Jane and Kitty be the same person using variations on her Christian names?

  Ann and Philip getting married in Ireland is probably why l wasn't able to find any marriage etc and probably that's where the story now ends. But one last thing is that Philip died 1847, but on his son Thomas's 2nd wedding cert it doesn't state that he is deceased, and the wedding was in 1949.

Thank you all so much for the time and trouble you have gone to, it's very much appreciated.