Samuel King born c1765-1766 died 1843 Yarmouth

[coombs]

The Samuel King who died as an infant in 1768 had a brother Daniel, of Blundeston, baptised about 1772 or 1773 I think. And your Samuel King of GY had a son called Daniel with Rose Soanes. Likely coincidence, or the Blundeston family is part of your Samuel's extended family.

I double checked the original 1768 entry in the original register and it is deffo a burial, sometimes I have seen a transcript say burial but the original is a baptism.

[jonwicken]

Hello and thank you to everyone for all your help.

I wanted to let you know that after nearly 30 years of searching (with a good few years barking up the wrong tree) I have solved the mystery of who my ancestor Samuel King was.

With the paper trail going cold, I decided to look at the DNA evidence and see if that could help.

I have clustered all my King matches and did a search in the family who had an ancestor with the name King in their tree.

One came up whose grandfather was Harry Charles King (1897-1962) and so I started to research this person and their ancestry.

Tracing the line back myself from scratch I got back to a Thomas King of Weston (1775-1843).

He is in the 1841 census there aged 65 and beneath him in the census was a Daniel King who was older than he was aged 75 years.

Given the fact the name Daniel was given to one of my Samuel King's sons, it felt like this really could be the moment which revealed everything.

And indeed is was.

This Daniel King was born in 1761 and died in 1845 in Weston. It appeared on the face of it that Thomas and Daniel were brothers.

Interestingly, I visited the small church at Weston in January as I had found another line of mine, the Gooda family, were buried there. And here was another link to the place. 

I looked on the Suffolk Record Office for wills of the King family and found that Daniel King had a will proved in 1845...

Original will of Daniel King of Weston. Suffolk Record Office Reference Number IC/AA1/265/24: https://www.suffolkarchives.co.uk/collections/getrecord/GB173_IC_AA1_265_24  

I bought a copy of the will and as I read it I was happy to see that it named the following people:

Executors: Nephews Daniel King of Yarmouth and Henry King of Beccles.
Beneficiaries: Children of late brother Samuel King and James Ellis and his daughters Maria Reynolds and Ann Ellis, and Elizabeth King [sister-in-law, widow of brother Thomas King].
Witnesses: C.T. Scott and Charlotte King [niece].

The executor Daniel King of Yarmouth was Samuel King's son, who was evidently named after his brother, so I had now finally traced my Samuel's line and found his brothers. The next thing to do was to find his parents.

[jonwicken]

The family it seems all comes from Wenhaston, Blythburgh, Sotherton & Weston.

Daniel King (before 1739–1812) married firstly Ann|Anna Jex|King (before 1744–1769) at Blythburgh in 1769. He was living at Bulcamp and she was of Westhall. She was buried at Sotherton on 20 October 1769, presumably as a maternal death. They had the following children baptised in Sotherton:

1. Daniel King (1760–1760)

2. Daniel King (1761–1845) A yeoman who later lived in Weston and who does not appear to have married. He died on 28 February 1845 and was buried at Blythburgh on 6 March 1845. His will was dated 8 April 1844 and proved 5 March 1845. His will shows he owned a "Messuage or Tenement situated in the parish of Uggeshall in the county of Suffolk comprising the dwelling house and wind-mill now in the occupation of William Rockhill". His gravestone survives: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125277121/daniel-king

3. John King (1762–?). It is not yet known what happened to him.

4. Ann King (1764–?).  It is not yet known what happened to her.

5. Samuel King (1767–1843) My ancestor who married Rose Bower Soanes in Corton in 1795 and had 11 children in Corton, Gorleston and Yarmouth between 1795 and 1815, including Daniel King of Yarmouth who was executor to his uncle Daniel King's will in 1845.

6. Thomas King (1769–1769)

Daniel King married secondly Elizabeth Barber on 2 July 1771 at Sotherton, Suffolk. He was buried on 3 October 1812 at Blythburgh and was from Southwold. She was buried on 7 September 1843 at Blythburgh, Suffolk, aged 93 and was also of Southwold. Her gravestone survives: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125277123/elizabeth-king. They had the following children:

7. Elizabeth King (1771–?)

8. James King (1773–?)

9. Thomas King (1775–1843). He married Elizabeth Sowter in 1806 at Sotherton and had 9 children between 1807 and 1820, including Henry King of Beccles who was executor to his uncle Daniel King's will in 1845. He and his wife were buried in Weston, where their table tomb still survives: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/202918453/thomas-king and https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/202918451/elizabeth-king

10. Judith King (1776–?)

11. Sarah King (1778–?)

12. Jane King (1779–?)

13. Jane King (1780–?)

14. Deborah King (1782–?)

15. William King (1784–?)

16. Robert King (1786–?)

17. Daniel King (1788–?). Daniel King senior named a second son Daniel, despite his elder son also named Daniel born 27 years earlier still being alive.

18. Sophia King (1791–?)

The lives of most of these children are not yet known about.

[jonwarrn]

Voters register for Great Yarmouth 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PC3-L8R

[jonwicken]

Voters register for Great Yarmouth 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PC3-L8R

Thank you very much for this link which I had not seen before.

It is particularly interesting to me as it has my ancestor Samuel King (1766/7-1843) as being eligible to vote as he had freehold houses in Rows No. 137 and 138 in Great Yarmouth.

His son Daniel King (1803-1866) is also eligible to vote as he had a freehold house at Cart and Horse Row, which is what Row 137 was known as.

In the 1841 census, Samuel's adult children and their families are all in one house together in Row 137, but Samuel is not with them.

The five adult children living together in three households were Daniel King, Sarah King|Burrage Rosetta King|Humphrey|Pye, Susanna Eleanor King and Elizabeth King|Rising:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/NFKHO107_793_794-0301?pId=8711105

Thanks again for this.

Kind regards,
Jon

[coombs]

It is good that you could break down the King brickwall via the DNA method. Yes it will be common that many with family/ancestors from Gt Yarmouth will descend from Suffolk people due to being so near. One of my Suffolk ancestors was friends with an Edmund Coleman, a GY innholder in the 1780s as they both signed an admin for someone who died intestate.

[jonwicken]

It is good that you could break down the King brickwall via the DNA method. Yes it will be common that many with family/ancestors from Gt Yarmouth will descend from Suffolk people due to being so near. One of my Suffolk ancestors was friends with an Edmund Coleman, a GY innholder in the 1780s as they both signed an admin for someone who died intestate.

Thank you. Yes I couldn't believe it when Daniel King's will made the link absolutely clear. But frustrating that the incorrect tree I originally made has been copied over and over again in ancestry family trees and there is no way to correct or highlight this to anyone so it just gets copied again and again! That sounds like an interesting discovery you made. I like to try and find out about the friends our ancestors had from marriage or will witnesses.

[coombs]

I know the feeling from your previous posts before, you find someone who you think is an ancestor and add them to your tree, but there is a small something not quite right (such as the age thing), then find the evidence to refute it and it disproves them, such as the headstones you found in GY cemetery. Back to the drawing board, but then later on via DNA or other evidence you find the correct line.

I have ancestors from Wenhaston as well but the Pearson family in the mid 1700s. Hopefully the Ancestry Suffolk records will come online soon, they say this summer.