Samuel King born c1765-1766 died 1843 Yarmouth

[jonwicken]

I am sorry for your disappointment about Samuel King, especially as some years ago in 2016 you thought it was the right Samuel, and had cracked the case, but then find some new evidence that totally goes against what you have found.

I know the feeling sometimes, trying to find the origins of a certain ancestor can be like trying to win the lottery.

If he could be traceable on the 1841 census, that would give whether born in county or not.

Thanks for the reply. It is a shame but a new mystery to crack now and I do like to revisit things and make sure my tree is correct. Sadly I think though my untrue discovery will be replicated in various ancestry trees now, but can't be helped. Hopefully King researchers will stumble across this thread.

Regarding the 1841 census, sadly I have not found Samuel King on it. I know from his 1843 death certificate that he was living in Row 137 in December 1843. I have found his family in the 1841 census who at Row 137 here:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/NFKHO107_793_794-0301?pId=8711110

Five of his children are in the house with their families, namely Sarah King|Burrage, Daniel King, Susannah Eleanor King, Rosetta King|Pye and Elizabeth King|Rising in three separate households.

Samuel King is not with them and I have not identified him elsewhere as yet.

So where was he on census night of 6 June 1841?

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Since your original post have you found the daughter Ann?
Baptised at Gorleston, 27 August 1797
Born 10 August
Daughter of Samuel King & Rose his wife (late Rose Soans Spinster)

[jonwicken]

Hi
Since your original post have you found the daughter Ann?
Baptised at Gorleston, 27 August 1797
Born 10 August
Daughter of Samuel King & Rose his wife (late Rose Soans Spinster)

Hello, no I haven't!

I always assumed there must have been a pregnancy between Samuel in 1795 and Sarah in 1799, but assumed something must have happened.

This is all rather extraordinary, where have you come across this baptism of this Ann please?

And what became of this Ann?!

Thank you for looking and posting!

[jonwicken]

Goodness, just found it!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61045/records/1504848051?tid=5705813&pid=112661396574&queryId=d1c51659-0e48-427b-98e1-1ef74f76946e&_phsrc=VSl11336&_phstart=successSource

[jonwarrn]

I'm afraid I don't know what happened to Ann, but I am glad you have found her now!

Going on names of their children, and taking into account Rose's family (if I have the right one!), everything would seem to point to Samuel being the son of Francis and Ann in Blundeston.
But it can't be, because that Samuel died in infancy

It's all very puzzling.

[coombs]

I also have some ancestors from Gorleston and Corton as well in the 1700s, the Fairweather's.

I mentioned in your other thread about Yarmouth settlement records that I found a Samuel King baptised in Gorleston 21 August 1770, son of Samuel and Elizabeth King. However I found a marriage in 1791 of a Samuel King in Gorleston to Susannah Heins, so likely rules out your Samuel who wed Rose Soanes in 1796 in Corton. The marital status of the 1796 marriage of Samuel to Rose was not given but I did find the banns which says he was a single man.

Looking at all other Samuel King's baptised across Norfolk 1762-1772 I have a few baptised in Norwich and one or two in Ridlington near North Walsham. Your Blundeston one born 1766 seems to have died as an infant. Maybe he had a younger brother born soon after who was not baptised.

A Jay Samuel King was baptised in Gt Yarmouth in 1766, son of Samuel and Sarah but it seems you have already ruled that one out have you?

[jonwicken]

I'm afraid I don't know what happened to Ann, but I am glad you have found her now!

Going on names of their children, and taking into account Rose's family (if I have the right one!), everything would seem to point to Samuel being the son of Francis and Ann in Blundeston.
But it can't be, because that Samuel died in infancy

It's all very puzzling.

This line was the first one I ever researched in 1997 and so for you to find Ann and fill the gap is very exciting, so thanks again!

Yes absolutely, he looks like he is that Samuel King of Blundeston but yes as you say he died in infancy.

I even got the will of Francis King of Blundeston that was proved in 1806 in case the burial register was wrong, but Samuel isn't in the will, just his son David.

I actually think that as Samuel and Rose King named their first son Samuel in 1795, that Samuel himself was perhaps also the son of a Samuel.

Now you have found Ann born in 1797 and Rose Soanes|King has no Anns in her family, I am starting to wonder if my Samuel King born c1766 could have been the son of another Samuel and Ann King.

Could his grandfather or uncle have been a Francis King?

I have just seen the burial of a Samuel King in Gorleston on 18 July 1796 aged 55, so born c1740-1741. I wonder if this could perhaps be his father.

A lot more digging to do!   

[jonwicken]

A Jay Samuel King was baptised in Gt Yarmouth in 1766, son of Samuel and Sarah but it seems you have already ruled that one out have you?

I think he is probably the Samuel King who was buried in 1770. Samuel King and Sarah Jay|King then had another son Samuel King baptised in 1772 who died in 1812, so I don't think my Samuel is Jay Samuel King.

Also the only child named in Francis King of Blundeston's will dated 1 January 1806 is his son David King born in 1770. No other children are mentioned, so I assume they must all have died.

Thanks so much again for looking.

[jonwicken]

I have just seen the burial of a Samuel King in Gorleston on 18 July 1796 aged 55, so born c1740-1741. I wonder if this could perhaps be his father.

Oh no this must be the husband of Elizabeth Shaul, who he married in 1767 and had that son Samuel you mentioned:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61043/records/1504705382?tid=&pid=&queryId=05c3ecaf-ab26-4810-987a-38739d968533&_phsrc=VSl11370&_phstart=successSource