Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)

[Stephanie Campbell]

Beg,

I wasn't sure if they were farm names, patonymic names, or adopted surnames. It was getting me really stuck, and Papers Past only showed Emma under the name Bjornvik for any records. and BDM showed nothing!!

Glad we have figured out that they probably did not make the voyage, although it makes looking for John Carlson a tad harder.

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would the ITM be just as useful, even if he moved about once arriving in New Zealand.. or are they only location specific for registration purposes?.

Your idea of requesting for someone to look for me is one I will take up (and make a separate post about later - hopefully that bring up some answers)

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I cannot seem to locate the correct death on BDM for John Carlson, though I do have the cemetery information. If I were to find the correct John Carlson I would most definately be looking at getting the Death Cert. The only one showing in 1905 is 58 upon his death and the john we need was approx 43.

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In all honesty I cannot remember where I got the 1848 birth date for Carl BJORNVIK mentioned in your original post. However the details that Ian have provided give a different birth date, and are more likely to be correct. I think I was going off the assumption they had migrated with John, and died here in New Zealand under an assumed surname.
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I will have a look into that link that you have given me

[Beg Clonrode...]

I cannot seem to locate the correct death on BDM for John Carlson

BDM NZ

1905/1429 - BIORNVICK aka CARLSON, John - 43 years - d.o.d 5 Mar 1905

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Would the ITM be useful...

Can't answer that until we actually see it.

I suspect the answer will be "not that useful" but there's no harm in asking for an ITM lookup.

Regards
Beg

[whiteout7]

If John Carlson was a shipwright, why would he appear on any passenger list? Possibly as a ships carpenter in the age of sail he would have been a crew member.

[Lucy2]

I with all the data I have estimate the arrival of John Carlson in New Zealand at 1881, due to a papers past article, from 1889 that states he had been in New Zealand for 8 years, but was not Naturalised (Naturalisation date 13 May 1902).

 The only information I have assisting me with John's length of residence in New Zealand is a Papers Past Article.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18891014.2.14&srpos=9&e=-------10--1-byDA---2John+Carlson--

Hi

Isn't this the wrong man in the newspaper article    He is named as John CARLSON, a Swede.   

    ~  Lu

[Stephanie Campbell]

Isn't this the wrong man in the newspaper article    He is named as John CARLSON, a Swede.   

    ~  Lu

No, it could be the same person, as Finland had people that spoke both Finnish and Swedish. It 'might' be that he was from Finland, but grew up in the Swedish speaking part of Finland.

[Stephanie Campbell]

If John Carlson was a shipwright, why would he appear on any passenger list? Possibly as a ships carpenter in the age of sail he would have been a crew member.

I hadn't thought of that, however trying to narrow down a date of arrival would assist, as we don't know what age he would have been, and if he would have had the Carpenter/Shipwright trade prior to emigration.

[whiteout7]

Vassa digital archives

Nykarleby Communion book - using the search term Nykarleby

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/dosearch.ka?o=31

Could he be in here?

Possibly paid research could find him?
The Provincial Archives of Vaasa

Sepänkyläntie 2
P.O. Box 240, 65101 VAASA
Phone: +358 29 533 7300
kirjaamo(at)arkisto.fi

[Beg Clonrode...]

Vassa digital archives

Nykarleby Communion book - using the search term Nykarleby

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/dosearch.ka?o=31

Could he be in here?

I suspect Ian has already had a look through there, as have I.

I couldn't see anything but that means nothing.

For the record I've had a look through the births 1832-36 and 1860-1864 and the household/communion registers for Yrjäs in the 1840's

The thing is a lot (but not all) of those records have been transcribed by the FFHA (SSHY) so it's depressing researching when you know there are transcriptions available. The problem is you can't get to the transcriptions unless you're an FFHA member. A few years back it was about $50 a year which is great value but not so much when you're looking for only the one line.

FFHA
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm

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There is the associated genealogy forum which is open to everyone. Might be an idea if the original poster posts the headstone photo found by Ian in reply no.14 and asks for advice.

SSHY (scroll down to English/Genealogy)
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/phpBB3/

Regards
Beg

[jamcat95]

Hi Beg

Yes, I have looked without much success unfortunately. I am by the way a member of FFHA.

Ian