JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents

[buckhyne]

The marriage was registered twice, once in TIBBERMORE and once in PERTH both 1807
Molly

What that usually means is one of them is from Tibbermore parish and the other is from Perth parish.
Name              John Nicoll
Spouse      Ann Macdonald
Event Date:  08 Dec 1807, Perth, Scotland
Event Date:  11 Dec 1807, Tibbermore, Perth, Scotland

[AncesStory]

Here is some online information about John's  death from Perth & Kinross Council

http://www.pkc.gov.uk/article/3887/Perth-burgh-burial-registers-1794-1855?pkcrecid=29918&pkcFirstName=john&pkcSurname=nicol&pkcAlternativeNames=true&pkcpageno=0&pkcsortfield=id

Also, son John Nicol was registered to vote in 1860 and was living at 73 N Methven St, Perth:

Name:John Nicol
Occupation:Grocer, And Shop
Year:1860
Country:Scotland
County:Perthshire
Division or Location:Perth
Place of Abode:
73 North Methven Street

[AncesStory]

According to Ancestry.com the following info is on several trees - but will def need to be checked out thoroughly.
John Nicol
Birth  6 MAY 1787 • Dron Perthshire Scotland
Death 11 JANUARY 1850 • Dunkeld Perthshire Scotland
Parents: William Nicol m Magdaline Moncreiff  (Marriage 29 December 1783 • Dron Perthshire Scotland)
Known Siblings:
Robert Nicol born abt 1791 • Perthshire, Scotland
Death 1865 • 10 York Place Perth, Perthshire Scotland
  m 1: Christian Will (1794-1823)  2:Margaret McEwan  (1798-1872)
Wills on SP:
NICOL ROBERT 27/04/1865 SHIPOWNER IN PERTH, RESIDING AT YORK PLACE THERE   PERTH SHERIFF COURT SC49/31/79
NICOL MARGARET 17/08/1872 ALIAS MCEWAN, WIDOW OF ROBERT NICOL, RESIDING AT YORK PLACE IN PERTH   PERTH SHERIFF COURT SC49/31/94

[Mollyrobz]

Hello AncesStory,

Yes this is my problem, I don't know how to go about finding a definite birth for John? I've came across the one as having Magdaline Mincrieff as a mum before but only via ancestry trees.

The ones that could be possible matches on FamilySearch are as follows... 

7 SEPT 1787 ABERNYTE PERTH FATHER GEORGE NICOL

6 MAY 1787 DRON, PERTH FATHER WILLIAM NICOL

25 JUNE 1787 MONEYDIE PERTH PARENTS DAVID NICOL + GRIZEL MCLEISH

where do I go from here? 
Molly

[Mollyrobz]

I had a few spare credits on SP. JOHN NICOL and ANN MCDONALD had a son named WILLIAM NICOL who I believe was born roughly around 1808? WILLIAM married twice, once to MARY BALLINGALL (1830) and once to JEAN KAY (1868)

I decided to buy the 2nd marriage cert to JEAN KAY as I wondered if it held any more info, possibly a sibling as a witness or something.

It didn't say much, but his dad JOHN NICOL was deceased but his occupation was a WEAVER not a GROCER and his mum ANN m.s MCDONALD was still alive.

Molly

[ecksdochter]

Hello Molly,
     Found a transcription of the 1871 Census but the original must be difficult to read. No surname for Ann's son-in-law and family.
       1871 Census. 176 South St, Perth.
     George    --  30  Shoemaker.   
     Jane       --  34     
     Helen      --    9     
     Mary Ann --    5
     Jane        --    3
     Jessie      --    2 All born Perth.
     Ann Nicol  77  Mother-in-Law b Schberman? Perthshire.

     ScotlandsPeople has a death for an Ann Nicol, other name McDonald, age 85, 1879 at Perth.
     Not what you were oiginally looking for, but a good find if it's the right person.
               Regards,     Dod.     
     
   

[Mollyrobz]

Hi eksdockter

Yes I already have a copy of Ann McDonald's death cert, I bought it some time ago. Sorry for wasting your time!

BUT, which that info you just gave me, the informant on ANNS death cert was a GEORGE CLARK SON-IN-LAW.

Possibly the same one from the census?

Molly

[Rosinish]

There's a marriage for "a" George Clark to "a" Jane Nicol 1859 County/City of Perth & Perth (District) which = Town

Both their parents names for both parties will be recorded.

Annie

[Rosinish]

[quote author=Mollyrobz link=topic=746256.msg5934361#msg5934361 date=1460466098
I can't find a definite birth and death for JOHN NICOL. I know that he was a grocer as it's stated on Ann McDonald's death cert and also on his son Williams death cert.
Molly
[/quote]

Was (William), John's eldest son (1st born) as this may be a clue.

Usually the 1st born son would be named after his paternal grandfather.

Annie

ADDED....Can you list all the names of the children of John please in order of birth to try & discount possible theories?