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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 14 April 16 13:54 BST (UK) »
I found this on line, the description is - Coat of arms pin, England lion unicorn crown, Dieu et mon droit, pewter brooch. This was for sale, it did not have a date. They look to have a similar engraving
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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #28 on: Friday 15 April 16 05:27 BST (UK) »
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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #29 on: Friday 15 April 16 09:16 BST (UK) »
I found this on line, the description is - Coat of arms pin, England lion unicorn crown, Dieu et mon droit, pewter brooch. This was for sale, it did not have a date. They look to have a similar engraving


That definitely looks the same  :) good find.

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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #30 on: Friday 15 April 16 10:50 BST (UK) »
Same crest for sure. I'm pretty my locket is pewter.
I'll be in Glasgow in a couple of weeks time, so I'll take it with me and see if an antique shop can throw any more light on its composition, date etc.

Can't help but notice the fleur de lis decoration around the edge of the pewter pin.... I'm seeing French connections everywhere now!!  ::)
MARIE Gonfreville (France) and Jersey
NAVARRE Gonfreville
KENNEDY Inverness, Scotland
STEWART Moray, Scotland
STEPHEN Springburn, Glasgow
WATSON Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland
DUNN Ireland and Springburn


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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 15 April 16 21:52 BST (UK) »
Not Prince of Wales feathers are they - never sure of the difference -  :-[  ;)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
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Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 20 April 16 23:41 BST (UK) »
Good evening,

The unicorn with crown usually means a Scottish connection in heraldry. Sometimes the horn is still there rising immediately in front of the crown.

The motto on the garter is "Shamed be he who thinks evil of it"

The motto on the scroll underneath is "God and my right"

It is a royal coat of arms but that doesn't mean it is in use by a royal personage. It may be any member of the nobility given the right to use it by the monarch of the time. The style of the crown should give the date range for the coat of arms but I have been unable to find the site that explains it. (One of the many favourites lost when I changed to windows 10).

Perhaps posting on the heraldry pages will draw out more people with expertise on the matter.

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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 21 April 16 09:26 BST (UK) »
John915 - that's a great suggestion. Thanks. I'll try that :)
MARIE Gonfreville (France) and Jersey
NAVARRE Gonfreville
KENNEDY Inverness, Scotland
STEWART Moray, Scotland
STEPHEN Springburn, Glasgow
WATSON Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland
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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 21 April 16 14:09 BST (UK) »
Good evening,

The unicorn with crown usually means a Scottish connection in heraldry. Sometimes the horn is still there rising immediately in front of the crown.

The motto on the garter is "Shamed be he who thinks evil of it"

The motto on the scroll underneath is "God and my right"

It is a royal coat of arms but that doesn't mean it is in use by a royal personage. It may be any member of the nobility given the right to use it by the monarch of the time. The style of the crown should give the date range for the coat of arms but I have been unable to find the site that explains it. (One of the many favourites lost when I changed to windows 10).

Perhaps posting on the heraldry pages will draw out more people with expertise on the matter.

John915

As I posted on the Heraldry thread, it is the (English) Royal Arms as used by the Government.

If it was the Scottish Royal Arms, the Scottish Lion would be in quarters 1 and 4, with England (3 lions) in quarter 2. The Irish Harp is always in quarter 3.
Scotland also has the unicorn on the left (dexter) side, and the lion on the right (sinister) side.

The arms are contained within the Garter (Order of the Garter) and are not on a shield.
Indicating that this version was not a personal set of Arms.
The monarch's Royal Arms also has a helm on the top and mantling.

The Government version has a crown.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_the_United_Kingdom#Government
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Re: Can anyone tell me about this locket?
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 21 April 16 14:23 BST (UK) »
The shape of the crown suggests it is Victorian.  In the 20th century a different style seems to have been used.
The ivy wreath could symbolise eternity, constancy, fidelity, friendship (everlasting love?).
A gentle rub on the inside rim could indicate if the black is tarnished silver.
It is probably coincidental that ivy relates to Amiens.

A story (pure fantasy, but it might turn out to have some accuracy):
Picture if you will, a young man joining the army.
As he leaves, his parents give him the locket father gave to mother when they were courting.  Inside are photographs of his parents cut from a family group picture.
While in Amiens, the soldier meets a French girl and is smitten.  He gets the locket engraved "Amiens" and gives it to his sweetheart.
The soldier goes back to the war.  Who knows what happened to him.
The French girl keeps the locket as a reminder of their love.
Perhaps she married a man from Normandy and moved there.
Perhaps she came from Normandy but was working in Amiens (as a nurse, maybe).

Even if it's not true it's a good story!
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