Helen Milne/Joseph Shirras

[bmwgem]

I have a Helen Milne who was born to parents George Milne and Eliza Kemp in 1861. She married Joseph Shirras in 1901 and was his second wife. I am assuming they had no children being the age she was and that I cannot find any record.
I have found her death certificate in 1938 but cannot find her birth record, marriage record to Joseph, nor can I find her on any census as living with her family. I have the 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census for her parents but she doesn't feature anywhere. In the 1871 census her 8 year old brother John is there but she is not even though she is of similar age.
Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

[Kay99]

Was she born pre her parents marriage??   From Anc

Helen Milne Or Kemp  Birth 16 Jun 1860  Oyne,Aberdeen Mother Eliza Kemp  Father George Milne

Kay

[Kay99]

There is a birth on Scotlands People for a Helen Milne in Oyne in 1860 and I wonder if she is boarding with the Cruickshank    family in 1861 in Oyne - listed as Helen Milne 0 b Oyne

[Kay99]

In 1871 old enough to be working as a  servant at the Free Manse, Oyne

Elizabeth    Davidson    46    Servant (Domestic)    Peterhead, Aberdeenshire   
Hellen Milne Servant 10 Message Girl    Oyne, Aberdeenshire

Edit - the marriage of George Milne and Eliza Kemp at Oyne in 1861  is on Scotlands People

By 1901 it looks like Helen was living with brother John at 37, Sunnyside Road, Aberdeen,

John    Milne    38    Mason Oyne, Aberdeenshire
Helen Milne Wife 36    Aberdeenshire   
Helen Milne Sister 40 Retired House Keeper (Dom)    Oyne, Aberdeenshire

[ruthhelen]

SP has a marriage between a Joseph Shirras and Helen Milne in Woodside, Aberdeen in 1901.

Ruth

[ruthhelen]

Helen seems to be in Newhills in 1891, as a cook in the household of one Henry Charles Hadden - can't seem to find her in 1881. Henry Hadden was unmarried and in England in 1881, so she must be with another household.

Ruth

[angelakirkaldy]

My Grandfather. William Milne, was born in Oyne. I think he was a brother to Helen. My Mother (Grace Eliza Milne) told my sister and I, that he had been married to one of the Shirras sister. She had died in childbirth. One of her brothers (?) married William's sister. My Grandfather gravitated to Newcastle upon Tyne and became a successful builder in the town. He married Ellen Heslop. They had my mother. An only child.

[bmwgem]

Thank you for all the replies. I am interested to hear more about your family Angela. Was your William born in 1867 as I have one pencilled in but not confirmed? His brother James (my nan's grandfather) went down to Newcastle and also became a builder, it became a family trait and they contributed to some of the building still standing proud today.

[angelakirkaldy]

William Milne married Elizabeth Sherrifs (Shirras). In 1878 they had a son, John.  William can be found at 6yrs old  in the 1841 Census for Oyne.