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Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 23:31 BST (UK) »
I am interested in Rice Davies aka Rhys Davis/Rhys ap Lewys. He was a lawyer of Carmarthen and was the son of Lewys ap Dafydd and Margred Scarff. Rice died in Tickenham in Somerset in 1638 and I have accessed his will from the Portbury Hundreds.
I used to be able to access some site called (I think) Histfam which showed his ancestry back to James Scarff and Judith Verney of the Isle of Man.
I am interested in his history back to Alice Bushe as she is on my line and was an auntie or great aunt of his. Alice was the daughter of Walter Bushe and Maude Horton of Rowley, England and married a Philips who was of the Rice Davis line. The paternal grandfather of Rice was Philip Scarff so possibly where the name of Philips comes in.
The 3rd wife of Rice was Mary Pitt of the Gloucestershire area and the Pitt family married into my Gunning family of the Bristol area.
This Rice Davis pops up around my family history and I would just like to be able to fit him into the picture as there are still some wives on the Bush line who have not yet been identified and he may be pivotal somehow. Knowledge of him could be handy and I thank anyone who can help from your end of things. I am in New Zealand and cannot drop into any history centre to look at records.
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: RICE DAVIES/RHYS AP LEWYS - LAWYER - DIED 1638
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 April 16 08:51 BST (UK) »
If you go to www.familysearch.org  then search/genealogies you should be able to find Rhys ap Lewis.
I looked under James Scarff,Isle of Man.(I can't vouch for the authenticity of course)

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Roger

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Re: RICE DAVIES/RHYS AP LEWYS - LAWYER - DIED 1638
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 April 16 10:01 BST (UK) »
If I've read the data correctly,Alice Bushe is the second wife of Rhys Scarff,who is the brother of Margred Scarff,mother of Rhys ap Lewys (husband Lewys ap Dafydd).
Rhys and Margred are son and daughter of Philip Scarff and Margred ferch Philip.

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Re: Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 April 16 00:08 BST (UK) »
Just for interest,there is a record of a Rees Davids(ap Lewis) matriculating from Jesus College Oxford in 1582 aged 19,described as a gentleman from County Carmarthen.

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Re: Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 06:14 BST (UK) »
Roger/Despair - many thanks for the replies to my questions, so difficult with the patronomic naming of the Welsh - okay if they stayed in Wales but to go to England and Anglicise their names makes it difficult.
Your help much appreciated
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 April 16 02:34 BST (UK) »
A while ago someone sent me the message below and for some reason I remember that the rest of the message suggested that these lads named Carew and Richard were the sons of a lady named Judith. I also don't know when these people had this messuage in the Stalls so a date would be handy.

".....her sons Carew and Richard had a messuage named Flower Swan in the parish of Stalls, I think that is in Bath, but not sure."

Can anyone please fill in the gaps for me?
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St Mary of the Stall was an early parish church in Bath, but fell out of use some time in the early 17th century. The building does not survive, apart from a bit of the crypt in the cellar of a more recent house, but it was in Stall Street which does still exist, near the Abbey. No registers survive, except for a few BTs from 1605-6.
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
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Re: RICE DAVIES/RHYS AP LEWYS - LAWYER - DIED 1638
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 April 16 17:33 BST (UK) »
If you go to www.familysearch.org  then search/genealogies you should be able to find Rhys ap Lewis.
I looked under James Scarff,Isle of Man.(I can't vouch for the authenticity of course)

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Roger

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